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SURMOUNT-4 and what withdrawal data does and does not tell an individual

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Solved by LJankowiak in post #2
SURMOUNT-4's randomised withdrawal design is the strongest available evidence about what happens on stopping. It says nothing about a lower maintenance dose, because the comparison was continue versus placebo rather than continue versus less. That is all I can say without guessing.

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n.szaboTL28 Nov 2024#1

SURMOUNT-4 and what withdrawal data does and does not tell an individual — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

I would like to disagree carefully with the settled view on SURMOUNT-4, and I would like to be argued out of it if the disagreement is bad.

The disagreement is about one step, not about the conclusion. If the step holds I withdraw it entirely.

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LJankowiakTL3Regular Solution19 Feb 2025#2

SURMOUNT-4's randomised withdrawal design is the strongest available evidence about what happens on stopping. It says nothing about a lower maintenance dose, because the comparison was continue versus placebo rather than continue versus less.

That is all I can say without guessing.

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mi.amankwahTL23 May 2025#3
n.szabo, post #1: SURMOUNT-4 and what withdrawal data does and does not tell an individual — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable. I would like to disagree carefully with the settled view on SURMOUNT-4, and I would like to be argued out of it if the disagreement is bad. The disagreement is about one step, not about the… Go to post

Gastrointestinal effects were comparable in character to the GLP-1 monoagonists across the programme. Individual reports here vary in both directions, which is what you would expect from a between-person difference rather than a between-drug one.

I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer.

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ambient_draftTL3Regular7 Jul 2025#4

Taking post #3 at face value and following it one step further.

Nausea profile: some people report tirzepatide as less nausea-prone than semaglutide, others report it as more. The trial reported gastrointestinal effects broadly comparable in character. Individual variation is the largest factor.

The conclusion is tentative; the arithmetic underneath it is not.

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k.adeyemiTL25 Sep 2025#5

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