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The topic list is dense — is that deliberate? posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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d.oyelaranTL3Pharmacist3 Dec 2024#61
m.lehtinen, post #50: Coming back to post #46, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Topic list is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers. Go to post

The most useful thing anyone has posted about topic list in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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h.vargaTL25 Dec 2024#62
f.lindholm, post #4: Feature request framed as feedback: the category list is long enough that a first-time reader cannot tell which four categories carry most of the traffic. A count next to each would fix that without changing anything structural. The mechanism is plausible, which is not the same as established. Go to post

Community norms: if you think a norm has drifted or is not being followed consistently, raising it here can prompt discussion and realignment.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator7 Dec 2024#63
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

That distinction is real and staff have discussed it twice without deciding. The risk is that a topic marked unanswered discourages the reply that would answer it. If anyone has seen it work elsewhere, say so — that is the missing evidence.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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k.laurentTL29 Dec 2024#64

Answering the question post #60 raises rather than the one it answers.

Two claims get bundled together under topic list and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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physio_marchettiTL2Physiotherapist11 Dec 2024#65

I think the topic list question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread.

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m.nascimentoTL213 Dec 2024 · edited#66
k.brandl_de, post #11: Agreed on topic list, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states. Go to post

Performance: if pages are slow to load, timeouts occur, or the site is unresponsive, that is worth reporting with details (when, which pages, how slow).

This is where my knowledge stops and I would rather mark the edge than blur it.

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v.szaboTL315 Dec 2024#67
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n.oseiTL217 Dec 2024#68

Everything in post #64 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Feature request framed as feedback: the category list is long enough that a first-time reader cannot tell which four categories carry most of the traffic. A count next to each would fix that without changing anything structural.

I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular19 Dec 2024#69
p.mwangi, post #42: On topic list I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

Reporting a real defect: on a long topic the jump-to-post link scrolls to the right post but the highlight does not fire on the first load. Second load is fine. Reproducible on my end, twice.

I am reporting what happened, not recommending it.

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au.pereiraTL221 Dec 2024#70

Worth separating two things that post #68 runs together.

Source for the topic list figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is.

Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers.

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a.amankwahTL223 Dec 2024#71

Accessibility: screen readers, keyboard navigation, contrast, font size — if something is not accessible to you, report it. Accessibility matters.

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r.marsdenTL3Regular25 Dec 2024#72

Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available.

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c.balogunTL227 Dec 2024#73

Post #71 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Topic list was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread.

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LeitermanTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#74
p.mwangi, post #42: On topic list I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #71 says would settle it.

Filing a mild objection to the consensus on topic list. Mild because I might be wrong; an objection because nobody has addressed the case that does not fit.

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y.eriksenTL231 Dec 2024#75

That would also be the fastest way for a new member to understand what R6 actually catches, which is narrower than people assume from the text.

That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close.

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sterile_tableTL3Regular2 Jan 2025#76

Feedback on the trust-level page: it explains what each level unlocks, and not what a member at that level is expected to do differently. The second is what people actually want to know.

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f.fontaineTL24 Jan 2025#77
aliquot_line, post #53: Answering the topic list question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken. Go to post

I would be cautious about generalising from the topic list example above. It is a good example. It is one example.

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PSundbergTL2Member6 Jan 2025#78
s.karlsen_rph, post #36: Topic list has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #75 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Suggestion rather than complaint: the vendor pages carry a review date, and topics do not. A topic that has been read by a maintainer recently is a different thing from one nobody has looked at since 2024.

The reasoning is more useful than the number, which is why I have shown it.

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a.petrovTL28 Jan 2025#79
ro.frisk, post #44: I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something. Go to post

Post #75 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The counter-argument is that a review date on a topic implies a maintenance promise nobody has made. A document carries one because somebody signed up to it.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular9 Jan 2025#80

Adding a small correction to the topic list summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters.

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h.amankwahTL211 Jan 2025#81

My experience of topic list contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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m.eriksenTL213 Jan 2025#82
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m.ekstromTL215 Jan 2025#83
n.nyberg, post #49: Feature request framed as feedback: the category list is long enough that a first-time reader cannot tell which four categories carry most of the traffic. A count next to each would fix that without changing anything structural. Go to post

Confirming post #80 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Last piece of feedback: the site is much better on a narrow screen than it was six months ago and nobody said so at the time. Recording it because only the failures usually get reported.

It is one reading of the data and not the only reasonable one.

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c.delgadoTL217 Jan 2025#84

What I would want before treating topic list as settled: the method, the sample, and whether anyone tried to find the opposite result. Two of the three are usually missing.

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a.lindholmTL219 Jan 2025#85

Reading back through the topic list threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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b.demirTL221 Jan 2025 · edited#86

Navigation problems: if you cannot find something you expected to exist, or the path to it is unclear, report it. Site architecture affects usability.

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s.bruunTL223 Jan 2025#87
p.mwangi, post #42: On topic list I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

Post #84 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Topic list is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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g.rasmussenTL225 Jan 2025#88
h.varga, post #62: Community norms: if you think a norm has drifted or is not being followed consistently, raising it here can prompt discussion and realignment. Go to post

Where I part company with post #86, and it is a narrow parting.

Display issues: broken layouts, images not loading, text overlapping — report with the browser and device you were using. Display bugs are platform-specific.

Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there.

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m.nwosuTL227 Jan 2025#89
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o.abrahamsenTL3Regular29 Jan 2025#90

A methods point on topic list rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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