Building on post #30 rather than restating it.
Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.
Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.
Building on post #30 rather than restating it.
Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.
Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.
Post #28 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.
Unrefereed work is not worthless and a great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. That is the accurate framing and it is not a licence to treat it as final.
The short version is the first sentence; the rest is why.
Unrefereed work is not worthless. A great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. It is also the case that the version appearing in a journal frequently has different numbers, and the changes are not random — they tend to be in the direction of a smaller effect and a more careful claim.
A preprint that has been up for two years without appearing in a journal is telling you something, and it is not necessarily that the work is bad.
A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.
If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update.
Where I part company with post #32, and it is a narrow parting.
Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.
Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first.
Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.
Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.
Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists.
Narrowing post #40, because the general version has more than one answer.
Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue.
Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.
Post #42 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.
Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.
That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.
Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.
A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.
I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.
Post #45 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.
Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier.
A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.
Building on post #45 rather than restating it.
Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.
I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.
Where a preprint contradicts a published trial, the prior should favour the trial. Where it extends one, the preprint can be genuinely useful.
Post #48 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.
Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do.
Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.
What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.
I am reporting what happened, not recommending it.
Always label it as a preprint in any discussion. A preprint is not a published trial and it is not settled knowledge. Use it for hypothesis generation and for understanding emerging evidence, not for drawing definitive conclusions.
Take it as a starting point and not as a specification.
Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.
One more caveat and then I will stop qualifying: the sample selected itself.
Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.
Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.
One case, stated as one case.