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A preprint whose numbers changed substantially at publication posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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r.bruunTL226 Aug 2025#31
taper_table, post #20: Everything in post #18 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have. Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue. Go to post

Building on post #30 rather than restating it.

Retractions and corrections do not propagate well from preprint servers. A citation that was fine when made can quietly become wrong.

Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.

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h.oyelowoTL2Regular27 Aug 2025#32

Post #28 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Unrefereed work is not worthless and a great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. That is the accurate framing and it is not a licence to treat it as final.

The short version is the first sentence; the rest is why.

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m.radichTL228 Aug 2025#33

Unrefereed work is not worthless. A great deal of it survives review substantially unchanged. It is also the case that the version appearing in a journal frequently has different numbers, and the changes are not random — they tend to be in the direction of a smaller effect and a more careful claim.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular29 Aug 2025 · edited#34

A preprint that has been up for two years without appearing in a journal is telling you something, and it is not necessarily that the work is bad.

A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.

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e.iyerTL230 Aug 2025#35
t.verhoeven, post #19: Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors. Go to post

If you cite a preprint in a maintained document here, the convention is to label it in the sentence and to note the check date. The document review will catch the update.

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dr.villanuevaTL3Physician31 Aug 2025#36

Where I part company with post #32, and it is a narrow parting.

Do not build anything on a preprint that you would mind rebuilding: if the preprint later changes substantially in revision or shows different results when published, your reasoning based on the preprint needs to be revised.

Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first.

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ch.correiaTL21 Sep 2025#37

Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular2 Sep 2025#38

Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.

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g.bakkenTL22 Sep 2025#39

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

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sterile_tableTL3Regular3 Sep 2025#40

Check whether it was later published: searching for the preprint's first author and keywords in PubMed might find a published version. The published version is the stronger citation if it exists.

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p.silvaTL24 Sep 2025#41
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e.kimaniTL25 Sep 2025#42

Narrowing post #40, because the general version has more than one answer.

Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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a.weissTL26 Sep 2025#43

Post #42 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.

That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.

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a.almeidaTL27 Sep 2025#44

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

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l.dziedzicTL28 Sep 2025#45
ch.correia, post #37: Sample size and pre-registration are checkable in a preprint exactly as in a paper, and they carry the same weight. Go to post

Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.

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k.roosTL29 Sep 2025 · edited#46
e.bakken, post #27: Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do. Go to post

A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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i.bakkenTL29 Sep 2025#47

Post #45 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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n.lehtinenTL210 Sep 2025#48

Building on post #45 rather than restating it.

Server repositories: medRxiv for medicine, bioRxiv for biology. Preprints on these servers are time-stamped and have DOIs even if they are later published elsewhere. Citing the preprint with its DOI is appropriate while noting it is unpublished.

I would be glad to be shown a cleaner way of putting this.

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k.laurentTL211 Sep 2025#49

Coming back to post #45, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Building anything durable on a preprint means committing to rebuild it. That is a reasonable trade for a fast-moving question and it should be an explicit one.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator12 Sep 2025#50
l.dziedzic, post #45: Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim. Go to post

Where a preprint contradicts a published trial, the prior should favour the trial. Where it extends one, the preprint can be genuinely useful.

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e.almeidaTL2Member13 Sep 2025#51
n.dziedzic, post #3: Peer review catches some things reliably — missing methods, unsupported conclusions, statistical mistakes of the obvious kind — and misses others routinely. Knowing which is which makes preprint reading easier. I would hold that lightly until someone with a larger sample weighs in. Go to post

Post #48 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Screening on a preprint server is minimal and is not review. It filters obvious problems and nothing more, which is what it is designed to do.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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n.ramosTL214 Sep 2025#52

What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint.

I am reporting what happened, not recommending it.

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RodriguesTL3Regular14 Sep 2025#53

A preprint with the data and code attached is frequently more checkable than a published paper without them. Reviewed and reproducible are different properties.

Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me.

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r.sobczakTL215 Sep 2025 · edited#54
a.almeida, post #44: What changes between preprint and publication: authors respond to reviewer comments, re-analyse data, correct errors found in peer review, and sometimes report different results from updated analyses. The published version is not the same as the preprint. Go to post

Always label it as a preprint in any discussion. A preprint is not a published trial and it is not settled knowledge. Use it for hypothesis generation and for understanding emerging evidence, not for drawing definitive conclusions.

Take it as a starting point and not as a specification.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular16 Sep 2025#55
m.ndiaye, post #9: Where I part company with post #7, and it is a narrow parting. How to cite a preprint: author last name, first initial, et al. Title. Server name [preprint]. Posted date. Doi. Include the server name and note that it is a preprint. Go to post

Version numbers on a preprint server matter. Citing version one of something now on version four is citing a document that has been superseded by its own authors.

One more caveat and then I will stop qualifying: the sample selected itself.

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p.trevinoTL217 Sep 2025#56

Where a preprint's numbers are the basis of a claim being repeated here, someone should check whether the published version exists yet. That check is nearly always overdue.

I would want the raw data before agreeing with my own summary of it.

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor18 Sep 2025#57

Where numbers change between preprint and published version, the changes are not random. They tend toward a smaller effect and a more carefully hedged claim.

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h.brandtTL218 Sep 2025#58
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maintenance_modeTL3Regular19 Sep 2025#59

Say it is a preprint in the first line rather than the last. Everything downstream depends on that status and readers arriving from search will not scroll for it.

One case, stated as one case.

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k.pereiraTL220 Sep 2025#60

Where I part company with post #59, and it is a narrow parting.

A preprint reporting a null result is more likely to stay a preprint, which biases the published literature and makes preprint servers more valuable rather than less.

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