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Safety · Adverse events · continued

Persistent vomiting and the threshold for seeking help posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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IRenaudinTL2Member9 Sep 2025#31

I read post #30 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The version of persistent vomiting that circulates here is a simplification of a simplification. It is not wrong, but it has lost the conditions under which it holds, and those conditions are where the interesting cases live.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular11 Sep 2025 · edited#32

I came in to disagree and I am leaving without a disagreement.

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methods_marginTL3Regular13 Sep 2025#33
endpoint_trace, post #20: Post #19 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition. A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for persistent vomiting post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier. Go to post

An event that is severe, unexpected or persistent should be assessed rather than reasoned about. The asymmetry between the cost of being checked and the cost of being wrong is the whole basis of that.

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e.bakkenTL215 Sep 2025#34
j.baptista, post #13: Nothing here is medical advice, and in this subcategory the phrase is doing more work than in any other on the site. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

Reporting here and reporting to a national scheme are not alternatives. The second is what feeds safety surveillance.

The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here.

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NardoneTL2Member17 Sep 2025#35

Taking persistent vomiting seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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t.vargaTL219 Sep 2025#36

Post #33 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The most useful contribution to this subcategory is a completed account: what happened, what was done, and what the outcome was.

I would put this at better than even and not much better.

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member20 Sep 2025#37

If someone has run persistent vomiting properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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n.kaufmannTL222 Sep 2025#38
i.coelho, post #11: The most useful contribution to this subcategory is a completed account: what happened, what was done, and what the outcome was. The right answer here may simply be that it has not been measured. Go to post

Pancreatitis is a genuine serious adverse event to know: severe epigastric pain, back pain, elevated lipase (≥3× upper limit of normal). If this constellation appears, stopping the drug and seeking urgent evaluation is appropriate.

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TamburelloTL2Member24 Sep 2025 · edited#39

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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l.lundgrenTL226 Sep 2025#40

The failure mode on persistent vomiting is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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se.okaforTL228 Sep 2025#41
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outline_firstTL3Wiki editor30 Sep 2025#42
r.aldana_pharmd, post #7: Post #6 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Injection-site reactions that spread over a day or come with systemic symptoms are a different observation from ordinary local reactions. Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first. Go to post

Injection-site reactions that spread over a day or come with systemic symptoms are a different observation from ordinary local reactions.

On reflection I would soften that slightly.

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i.boatengTL21 Oct 2025#43

Medullary thyroid carcinoma is the reason these compounds are contraindicated in people with personal or family history of MTC or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Rodent toxicology showed a signal; human evidence of causation is absent but caution is appropriate.

Written from notes rather than memory, which is why the numbers are specific.

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sharps_binTL2Regular3 Oct 2025#44

Severe gastrointestinal events: persistent vomiting, abdominal pain out of proportion, or signs of bowel obstruction warrant urgent evaluation. Mild nausea and constipation are ordinary; severe versions are not.

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da.bakkerTL25 Oct 2025#45

Persistent vomiting has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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BirkelandTL3Regular7 Oct 2025#46
d.petrescu, post #12: Severe, persistent abdominal pain, particularly radiating to the back, is not an ordinary gastrointestinal symptom and belongs with a clinician rather than a thread. Stating my assumptions rather than smuggling them in. Go to post

Severe, persistent abdominal pain, particularly radiating to the back, is not an ordinary gastrointestinal symptom and belongs with a clinician rather than a thread.

I have changed my mind on this once already, so take it as current rather than settled.

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g.amankwahTL28 Oct 2025#47
a.adeyemi, post #28: Severe gastrointestinal events: persistent vomiting, abdominal pain out of proportion, or signs of bowel obstruction warrant urgent evaluation. Mild nausea and constipation are ordinary; severe versions are not. I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more. Go to post

I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about persistent vomiting than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked.

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cannula_traceTL3Regular10 Oct 2025 · edited#48

Where I part company with post #44, and it is a narrow parting.

On persistent vomiting, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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m.oyelaranTL212 Oct 2025#49

Attribution is genuinely hard for a single case and the reporting schemes are designed to work with that. You are not expected to prove causation to file.

That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct.

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footnote_entryTL3Regular14 Oct 2025#50

I changed my mind about persistent vomiting after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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f.espinozaTL215 Oct 2025#51

Nothing here is medical advice, and in this subcategory the phrase is doing more work than in any other on the site.

Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop.

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gradient_fileTL2Member17 Oct 2025#52

Marking my place. If it changes for me I will come back and say so.

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z.vogelTL219 Oct 2025#53

Where I part company with post #51, and it is a narrow parting.

My experience of persistent vomiting contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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WoodhouseTL2Member21 Oct 2025#54
c.boateng, post #2: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Two people in this thread mean different things by persistent vomiting and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it. Go to post

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of persistent vomiting yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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z.adeyemiTL222 Oct 2025#55

The published trial rates come from supervised populations on defined schedules and are not comparable to rates derived from who chooses to post.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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RidgewayTL3Regular24 Oct 2025 · edited#56

Attribution is genuinely hard for a single case and the reporting schemes are designed to work with that. You are not expected to prove causation to file.

The reasoning is more useful than the number, which is why I have shown it.

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s.kravchenkoTL226 Oct 2025#57
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cohort_notesTL2Member27 Oct 2025#58
z.vogel, post #53: Where I part company with post #51, and it is a narrow parting. My experience of persistent vomiting contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that. Go to post

Confirming post #55 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Persistent vomiting is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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ar.petrovTL229 Oct 2025 · edited#59

Nothing here is medical advice, and in this subcategory the phrase is doing more work than in any other on the site.

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KForsbergTL2Member31 Oct 2025#60

I have no financial interest in anything named in this thread and I want to say so before I comment on persistent vomiting, because it is the sort of subject where it matters.

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