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A 40-week log with the measurement method stated

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s.mbekiTL211 Oct 2025#1

On the subject in the title: A 40-week log with the measurement method stated Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Asking about 40-week log directly, because I have read four threads on it and each answered a slightly different question.

The version I want answered is the narrow one: given the method stated below, is the result within what anyone else has seen? I am not asking what it means yet.

Method, numbers and the two assumptions I am aware of making are below. If the assumptions are wrong that is more useful to me than agreement.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular11 Oct 2025#2

Whatever the answer on 40-week log turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction.

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r.szaboTL212 Oct 2025#3

The version of 40-week log that I was taught turned out to be a teaching simplification. Useful, and not true in the way I had assumed it was.

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK12 Oct 2025 · edited#4
r.szabo, post #3: The version of 40-week log that I was taught turned out to be a teaching simplification. Useful, and not true in the way I had assumed it was. Go to post

The opening post put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

A single scale used throughout beats a more accurate scale introduced halfway through. Consistency beats accuracy for a trend.

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r.nakamuraTL212 Oct 2025#5
s.mbeki, post #1: On the subject in the title: A 40-week log with the measurement method stated Working notes rather than a conclusion. Asking about 40-week log directly, because I have read four threads on it and each answered a slightly different question. The version I want answered is the narrow one: given the method stated below, is the result… Go to post

Weighing daily and reporting weekly is a better protocol than weighing weekly, because it separates the measurement frequency from the reporting frequency.

The short version is the first sentence; the rest is why.

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dexa_twice_yearlyTL3Regular13 Oct 2025#6

Marking my uncertainty on 40-week log explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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r.vukovicTL213 Oct 2025#7

Post #6 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

If someone has run 40-week log properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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r.mcalisterTL3Regular13 Oct 2025#8

Where I part company with post #4, and it is a narrow parting.

Self-reported intake is optimistic in a consistent direction, and saying so in your own report is more credible than not.

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m.amankwahTL213 Oct 2025#9

A methods point on 40-week log rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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NLoughranTL3Regular14 Oct 2025#10

Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight.

Adding this to the thread rather than to the wiki, because I am not confident enough for the wiki.

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n.rahimiTL214 Oct 2025#11
NLoughran, post #10: Coming back to post #8, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Longitudinal report with the method stated: same scale, same time of day, same conditions. A scale is a tool; use the same one each time. Consistency matters more than accuracy at capturing absolute weight. Adding this to the thread rather than to the… Go to post

Coming back to post #7, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

On 40-week log: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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p.amankwahTL214 Oct 2025#12

Seasonal patterns: some people report weight loss is slower in winter than summer. Body composition and activity changes might contribute. Noting the season is useful context.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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n.lehtinenTL214 Oct 2025#13

I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something.

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l.dziedzicTL215 Oct 2025#14

Small correction to my own earlier position on 40-week log. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely.

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e.kimaniTL215 Oct 2025#15
n.lehtinen, post #13: I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something. Go to post

I read post #11 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Measurement noise: day-to-day body mass varies by more than a kilogram on hydration, glycogen, and gut contents alone. A weekly reading is a single noisy sample of a distribution. A seven-day rolling mean of daily readings has much lower noise.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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KnowltonTL3Regular15 Oct 2025#16

Post #15 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

My experience of 40-week log contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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e.ferrariTL215 Oct 2025 · edited#17

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of 40-week log yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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s.silvaTL216 Oct 2025#18

Nothing here is medical advice and a progress report is a description of what happened to one person under uncontrolled conditions.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist16 Oct 2025#19

Taking 40-week log seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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h.vargaTL216 Oct 2025#20
v.szabo, post #19: Taking 40-week log seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences. Go to post

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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p.silvaTL216 Oct 2025#21

This follows post #19 rather than contradicting it.

40-week log sits at the boundary between what this community can usefully discuss and what it cannot, and I think it falls on the discussable side, narrowly.

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a.almeidaTL216 Oct 2025#22

The best progress reports here read as records rather than as arguments, and that difference is visible within a sentence.

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a.weissTL217 Oct 2025#23

Adding thanks rather than a view. I do not have a view worth the space.

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k.roosTL217 Oct 2025#24
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j.delacroixTL3Regular17 Oct 2025#25
k.roos, post #24: Coming back to post #22, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Trying to state the 40-week log position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test. Go to post

If a pattern survives a rolling-mean treatment it is worth explaining. Most do not, and that is the useful finding.

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i.brobergTL217 Oct 2025#26

An honest declaration on 40-week log: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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h.mukherjeeTL1Member17 Oct 2025#27

Confirming post #25 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Small methodological point on 40-week log: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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m.malinowskiTL218 Oct 2025 · edited#28

I had written a reply contradicting post #26 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

State the method before the numbers. Same scale, same time of day, same conditions — without that a series is a collection of readings rather than a measurement.

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cannula_notesTL2Member18 Oct 2025#29
crossover_review, post #2: Whatever the answer on 40-week log turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction. Go to post

Where the 40-week log reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.

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b.brandtTL218 Oct 2025#30

A note on scope: what I am saying about 40-week log applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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