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Adjudicated events and why the definition matters — the long version

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k.asanteTL226 Feb 2025 · edited#25

A treatment-policy estimand asks what happens to people assigned to a strategy, including those who abandon it. A hypothetical estimand asks what would have happened had everyone continued. Both are legitimate and they give different numbers.

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e.kuuselaTL23 Mar 2025#31

Absolute and relative effects answer different questions. Write down the event rate in each arm and the difference between them; everything quotable is derived from those two numbers.

The interesting part of this is the exception, and I do not understand the exception.

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d.barrosTL217 Mar 2025 · edited#51

Surrogate endpoints: an endpoint that is not the outcome that matters but is measured as a stand-in. HbA1c is a surrogate for long-term glucose control and the short-term complications it prevents. Weight loss is a surrogate for metabolic health and long-term outcomes. Surrogates are useful but not identical to the endpoint that matters.

This is where my knowledge stops and I would rather mark the edge than blur it.

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p.dialloTL225 Mar 2025#65
j.steiner, post #1: Adjudicated events and why the definition matters — the long version Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. A narrow question about Adjudicated events, deliberately narrow, because the broad version has been asked here four times and produced four long threads and no answer. One question,… Go to post

Answering the question post #61 raises rather than the one it answers.

The reason Adjudicated events keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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k.redgraveTL2Member3 Apr 2025#79
i.boateng, post #3: A treatment-policy estimand asks what happens to people assigned to a strategy, including those who abandon it. A hypothetical estimand asks what would have happened had everyone continued. Both are legitimate and they give different numbers. I would put this at better than even and not much better. Go to post

That is clearer than the version I had in my head. Thank you.

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SHermansenTL2Member13 Apr 2025#97

One caution on Adjudicated events: everything above assumes the underlying documentation is what it claims to be. That assumption is doing real work and is rarely stated.

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IHollingworthTL2Member22 Apr 2025#113
t.vasquez, post #57: I have three months of notes on Adjudicated events and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight. Go to post

Post #109 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Checked the Adjudicated events claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope.

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p.krastevTL226 Apr 2025#120
erratum_file, post #75: Adjudicated events would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator. Go to post

Risk of bias: structured appraisal of internal validity. Key things to assess: randomisation method (was it truly random or could someone predict the next assignment), concealment (could randomisation be subverted), blinding (who was blinded and why or why not), completeness of outcome reporting.

Caveat: everything above assumes the paperwork is what it says it is.

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a.adeyemiTL229 Apr 2025#126

I had written a reply contradicting post #124 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Marking my uncertainty on Adjudicated events explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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