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Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone — the long version posts 31–45

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular4 Jul 2025#31

Where I part company with post #29, and it is a narrow parting.

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

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p.krastevTL28 Jul 2025#32

Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register.

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor13 Jul 2025#33
e.silva, post #6: Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size. The honest answer is that it depends, and here is what it depends on. Go to post

Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected.

It is the sort of thing that seems obvious in retrospect and was not at the time.

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f.danquahTL217 Jul 2025 · edited#34

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

The evidence for this is thinner than the way I have phrased it suggests.

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t.kulkarniTL321 Jul 2025#35
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a.vermeulenTL226 Jul 2025#36

Building on post #33 rather than restating it.

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular30 Jul 2025#37
p.frisk, post #3: Building on post #2 rather than restating it. Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers). Go to post

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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ni.kravchenkoTL23 Aug 2025#38
isotonic_sheet, post #31: Where I part company with post #29, and it is a narrow parting. Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material. Go to post

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

Written from notes rather than memory, which is why the numbers are specific.

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coldchain_liuTL3Regular8 Aug 2025#39

Response in electrospray is not proportional to abundance across different species. Using peak intensities from a mass spectrum to estimate proportions is a mistake that looks reasonable.

The interesting part of this is the exception, and I do not understand the exception.

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m.nascimentoTL212 Aug 2025#40

Monoisotopic and average mass are different numbers and both appear on documents. At this molecular weight the difference is a few daltons, which is more than the tolerance being claimed.

Worth one more sentence than it usually gets.

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citation_peakTL316 Aug 2025#41
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a.cabreraTL220 Aug 2025 · edited#42
methods_margin, post #15: Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass. Take it as a starting point and not as a specification. Go to post

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one.

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k.redgraveTL2Member24 Aug 2025#43
n.krastev, post #29: Taking post #28 at face value and following it one step further. An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error. If the premise is wrong, everything after it is decoration. Go to post

Picking up post #42: that is the part I would want checked first.

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

If anyone has run this properly I would rather read that than my own guess.

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s.ivaturiTL229 Aug 2025#44

On post #40 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one.

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RidgewayTL3Regular2 Sep 2025#45

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

None of the above is medical advice and I am not qualified to give any.

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