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[2026 update] Lipid changes during rapid weight loss: the expected trajectory posts 31–57

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.malinowskiTL225 Jan 2025#31

I would call the community position on Lipid changes during rapid weight likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge.

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p.silvaTL226 Jan 2025#32

Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked.

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sa.okonkwoTL227 Jan 2025#33
m.malinowski, post #31: I would call the community position on Lipid changes during rapid weight likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge. Go to post

Confirming post #31 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

The failure mode on Lipid changes during rapid weight is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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a.westergaardTL328 Jan 2025#34
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me.eriksenTL228 Jan 2025 · edited#35

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

Reading it again, the caveat matters more than the finding.

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k.salinasTL229 Jan 2025#36

The most useful reply I ever got about Lipid changes during rapid weight was a request to state my units. It sounds like pedantry and it has saved me twice.

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a.almeidaTL230 Jan 2025#37

Post #36 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Summarising the Lipid changes during rapid weight thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.

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c.correiaTL231 Jan 2025#38
h.brandt, post #3: Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason. Go to post

Coming back to post #35, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

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am.wikstromTL231 Jan 2025#39
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cannula_notesTL2Member1 Feb 2025#40

Checked the Lipid changes during rapid weight claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope.

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s.kimaniTL22 Feb 2025#41
ppm_error, post #13: This follows post #10 rather than contradicting it. Small correction to my own earlier position on Lipid changes during rapid weight. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely. Go to post

Renal function markers: eGFR is estimated, not measured. It depends on creatinine, age, and weight. A small change in creatinine might not mean a real change in kidney function.

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e.piresTL23 Feb 2025#42
r.venkatesan, post #4: The opening post is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Adding a small correction to the Lipid changes during rapid weight summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters. Go to post

On Lipid changes during rapid weight, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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a.kowalskiTL24 Feb 2025#43

Where I part company with post #40, and it is a narrow parting.

I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about Lipid changes during rapid weight than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked.

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t.wojcikTL24 Feb 2025#44
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h.bakkerTL25 Feb 2025#45
d.eriksen, post #18: On post #16 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. The confident answers on Lipid changes during rapid weight and the well-sourced answers are not the same answers, which is the most useful thing I have learned reading this category. Go to post

A trend needs at least three points to be a trend. Two points are a line and a line through noise is still a line.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist6 Feb 2025 · edited#46

Lipid changes during substantial weight loss are expected and their trajectory is not always monotonic. A single mid-course panel can be misleading.

Not disagreeing with anyone above, just adding the bit I keep having to look up.

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c.ostergaardTL27 Feb 2025#47

Post #43 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Speaking only to Lipid changes during rapid weight as I have actually seen it, rather than as it is usually described: the effect is real, it is smaller than the thread suggests, and the variance between people is larger than the effect.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator7 Feb 2025#48

I changed my mind about Lipid changes during rapid weight after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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a.salcedoTL3Regular8 Feb 2025#49
ms_holloway, post #25: The useful distinction on Lipid changes during rapid weight is between what was measured and what was inferred from it. Both end up in the same sentence and only one of them has error bars. Go to post

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

Scoping that to what I have actually seen rather than what I have read.

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ka.haddadTL29 Feb 2025#50

Picking up post #47: that is the part I would want checked first.

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part.

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diluent_watchTL2Member9 Feb 2025#51

Post #50 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Lipid panel interpretation: total, LDL, HDL, triglycerides all on one panel. Reading them together is more informative than reading one value in isolation. An elevated triglyceride with low HDL is different from triglyceride elevation alone.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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m.dumitruTL210 Feb 2025#52

Second this, and I would have said it less carefully.

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ZieglerTL3Regular11 Feb 2025#53

What I want from this Lipid changes during rapid weight thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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g.verhoevenTL212 Feb 2025 · edited#54
batchlog, post #6: Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions. Go to post

The thing about Lipid changes during rapid weight that took me longest to accept is that a plausible mechanism is not evidence of an effect. It is a reason to look, not a result.

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r.scholtenTL2Member12 Feb 2025#55
a.reyes, post #29: Where I have landed on Lipid changes during rapid weight, having got it wrong once in public: the direction is clear, the magnitude is not, and anyone quoting a precise magnitude has borrowed it from somewhere that did not measure it. Go to post

Narrowing post #54, because the general version has more than one answer.

A trend needs at least three points to be a trend. Two points are a line and a line through noise is still a line.

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b.nwosuTL213 Feb 2025#56

Posting my Lipid changes during rapid weight numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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m.stephanopoulosTL3Regular14 Feb 2025#57

Lipid changes during rapid weight: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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