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A pooled estimate that changed when one trial was added

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Solved by j.dahlberg in post #9
Search strategy determines what was found and is the part of the method least often scrutinised. A search restricted to one language or one database is a selection step.

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p.marchettiTL217 May 2026#1

A pooled estimate that changed when one trial was added — setting out what I have, and where I think it stops being reliable.

I was wrong about pooled estimate in a thread last spring and I would like to correct it publicly rather than quietly.

The error was in the units, which changed the conclusion by an order of magnitude. Setting out the corrected version, and the way I now check for that class of mistake.

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il.dumitruTL222 May 2026#2

Taking the opening post at face value and following it one step further.

I keep a log for pooled estimate specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.

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OkaforTL3Regular26 May 2026 · edited#3

Useful. I have added it to my own notes with the date on it.

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i.oseiTL229 May 2026#4

The forest plot ordered by the variable you think explains the spread is more informative than the pooled diamond, and it is the thing least often reproduced in a summary.

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OTeixeiraTL3Regular1 Jun 2026#5

Worth separating two things that post #4 runs together.

Practical note on pooled estimate: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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d.nilsenTL24 Jun 2026#6

Reading the pooled figure without reading the inclusion criteria is the equivalent of quoting a trial without its population. Both are common and both are avoidable.

Reading it back, the second half matters more than the first.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular7 Jun 2026#7

Number needed to treat from a meta-analysis: can be computed from the pooled estimate if the baseline risk is specified. More interpretable than pooled relative effects.

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n.zielinskiTL210 Jun 2026#8
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j.dahlbergTL2 Solution12 Jun 2026#9

Search strategy determines what was found and is the part of the method least often scrutinised. A search restricted to one language or one database is a selection step.

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s.cardosoTL215 Jun 2026 · edited#10

Seconded. It reads as careful rather than confident, which is the right register.

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o.vogelTL217 Jun 2026#11

Narrowing post #9, because the general version has more than one answer.

A tighter confidence interval around a meaningless centre is worse than a wide interval around a meaningful one. Precision is not the objective.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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r.villalobosTL220 Jun 2026#12

Everything in post #11 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Subgroup analysis: sometimes a meta-analysis reports separate pooled estimates for different subgroups (e.g., by baseline body mass index or by trial duration). Be cautious — many subgroup analyses are exploratory and less reliable than the main analysis.

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n.norgaardTL222 Jun 2026#13
o.vogel, post #11: Narrowing post #9, because the general version has more than one answer. A tighter confidence interval around a meaningless centre is worse than a wide interval around a meaningful one. Precision is not the objective. That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always. Go to post

Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

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m.duarteTL224 Jun 2026#14

A meta-analysis of four small trials is not stronger evidence than one adequately powered trial, whatever the summary statistic looks like.

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a.batistaTL227 Jun 2026#15

When trials differ in population, duration and comparator, the pooled estimate answers a question no individual trial asked. That is worth saying before the number is quoted.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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k.perrinTL229 Jun 2026#16
n.zielinski, post #8: A request rather than an answer: could whoever has the primary source for pooled estimate post it? I have seen the claim three times this month and each version had lost a qualifier. Go to post

Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that.

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r.danquahTL21 Jul 2026#17

Taking post #15 at face value and following it one step further.

A note on scope: what I am saying about pooled estimate applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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a.nwosuTL23 Jul 2026#18

Pooled estimate has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist6 Jul 2026#19

Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random.

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s.okaforTL28 Jul 2026#20

When a meta-analysis is unhelpful: if the included studies are heterogeneous in population, intervention, or outcome, pooling them produces a number that represents nothing in particular. Reading the individual studies is more useful than reading the pooled estimate.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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unit_conversionTL3Regular10 Jul 2026#21

On post #19 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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r.vukovicTL212 Jul 2026#22

Picking up post #19: that is the part I would want checked first.

The honest answer on pooled estimate is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.

Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.

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tracked_parcelTL2Regular14 Jul 2026#23

Where the pooled result and the largest single trial disagree, that disagreement is the interesting thing rather than an inconvenience to be smoothed.

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s.balogunTL216 Jul 2026#24
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k.otieno_statsTL3Statistician18 Jul 2026#25

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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n.ibarraTL220 Jul 2026#26

Adding the measurement that post #23 says would settle it.

Fixed-effect and random-effects models answer different questions. The first assumes one true effect; the second assumes a distribution of them. Choosing between them is an assumption, not a technicality.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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system_suitabilityTL3Analytical chemist22 Jul 2026#27
Okafor, post #3: Useful. I have added it to my own notes with the date on it. Go to post

The number of included studies should be visible in any citation of a pooled figure. "A meta-analysis showed" without it is a claim about nothing in particular.

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z.okonkwoTL224 Jul 2026#28
s.balogun, post #24: Why forest plots are more informative than pooled numbers: they show the variation across studies, which tells you whether the effect is consistent or heterogeneous. A narrow confidence interval around a meaningless centre is less useful than a wider interval that shows real differences. That is where I would start, not where I would… Go to post

Inclusion and exclusion criteria: a meta-analysis is only as good as its inclusion criteria. If the criteria are too broad, apples and oranges get pooled. If they are too narrow, the meta-analysis answers a overly specific question.

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p.iyer_pharmdTL3Pharmacist26 Jul 2026#29

Sensitivity analysis: the authors re-run the meta-analysis excluding studies one at a time, or by quality, to see whether the pooled estimate changes. Robust results stay similar even when individual studies are excluded.

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