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A promotion I argued against, and why I lost posts 151–163

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f.fenwickTL3Regular28 Mar 2025#151
m.yildiz, post #49: Adding the measurement that post #48 says would settle it. Checked the promotion claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope. Go to post

Confirming post #148 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Check the links. Promotion frequently breaks a cross-reference because the source topic now points at the document rather than the reverse.

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k.chukwuTL229 Mar 2025#152
p.frisk, post #83: The useful distinction on promotion is between what was measured and what was inferred from it. Both end up in the same sentence and only one of them has error bars. Go to post

I had written a reply contradicting post #150 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

My understanding of promotion is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it.

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KForsbergTL2Member30 Mar 2025#153

An observation about promotion that I cannot explain and am posting anyway, on the principle that unexplained observations are more useful public than private.

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k.kimaniTL230 Mar 2025#154

Nothing to add, except that this is the answer I would give if asked.

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LundqvistTL2Member31 Mar 2025#155
o.vogel, post #34: Something worth flagging about promotion: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence. Go to post

Post #152 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The most useful review comment names a sentence and says what is wrong with it. General approval and general concern are both hard to act on.

That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category.

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s.hartmannTL21 Apr 2025 · edited#156

Promotion: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this.

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MakinenTL2Member2 Apr 2025#157

Reviewing your own nomination is fine and is not sufficient. Somebody else has to read it for the process to mean anything.

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j.solbergTL22 Apr 2025#158

Worth separating two things that post #155 runs together.

The reason promotion is hard to answer is that the obvious measurement and the relevant quantity are not the same thing, and substituting one for the other is silent.

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t.waldenstrmTL2Member3 Apr 2025#159

Promotion looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour.

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s.radichTL24 Apr 2025#160
w.verhoeven, post #54: Confirming post #53 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Promotion is one of those subjects where the general answer and the answer for a specific case diverge, and the thread will go in circles until someone says which one is being asked for. Go to post

Where the review finds the content is right but the framing overstates it, that is the most valuable catch available at this stage.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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v.rautioTL24 Apr 2025#161

Small methodological point on promotion: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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cannula_traceTL3Regular5 Apr 2025#162

Where I would push back on the promotion consensus is the confidence, not the direction. The direction looks right. The confidence is borrowed.

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g.amankwahTL26 Apr 2025#163
appeals_desk, post #10: Practical experience of promotion, offered as one case with the conditions stated, not as a general finding. Conditions first, because they are what make it interpretable. Go to post

The most useful review comment names a sentence and says what is wrong with it. General approval and general concern are both hard to act on.

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