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Books and papers worth reading that are not about this at all

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resistance_firstTL2Regular26 Dec 2024#1

On the subject in the title: Books and papers worth reading that are not about this at all Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Reading back through what has been written here about books and papers, three questions come up every time and only one has ever been answered properly.

Listing all three, with what I think the state of the answer is for each, so the thread can start further along than the last one did.

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a.molnarTL228 Dec 2024#2

Books and papers: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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taper_fileTL3Regular29 Dec 2024#3
a.molnar, post #2: Books and papers: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

Lounge-appropriate observation. I have started reading the certificates that come with things I buy that have nothing to do with any of this, and the standard elsewhere is lower than I expected.

I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more.

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c.kuuselaTL230 Dec 2024#4

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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d.magalhesTL2Member31 Dec 2024#5

Books and papers is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.

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b.brandtTL21 Jan 2025#6
a.molnar, post #2: Books and papers: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

Loosely related and not worth its own topic: the vocabulary here has leaked into how I read everything. I now notice when a press release gives a relative figure and no absolute one, which is most of the time.

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IbrahimoviTL21 Jan 2025#7
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am.wikstromTL22 Jan 2025 · edited#8

The thing about books and papers that took me longest to accept is that a plausible mechanism is not evidence of an effect. It is a reason to look, not a result.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular3 Jan 2025#9

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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sa.okonkwoTL24 Jan 2025#10

Lounge question, no agenda: does anyone else keep a physical notebook for this rather than a file? Mine is more use than anything I have typed, and I cannot entirely explain why.

That is all I can say without guessing.

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m.agyemanTL25 Jan 2025#11
a.molnar, post #2: Books and papers: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which. Go to post

A digression that keeps occurring to me: the most-linked documents here are the dullest ones. Nothing gets cited like the unit-arithmetic page.

The honest answer is that it depends, and here is what it depends on.

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taper_tableTL3Regular5 Jan 2025#12

What I would check first on books and papers is whether the thing being measured moved or whether the way of measuring it moved. Those look identical in a graph.

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a.hartmannTL26 Jan 2025#13

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this books and papers discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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excursion_checkTL37 Jan 2025#14
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k.haddadTL27 Jan 2025#15
c.kuusela, post #4: This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not. Go to post

Practical experience of books and papers, offered as one case with the conditions stated, not as a general finding. Conditions first, because they are what make it interpretable.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular8 Jan 2025#16

Two sentences on books and papers and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.

What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.

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t.abubakarTL29 Jan 2025 · edited#17

Thank you for the correction. I would rather find out here than later.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular9 Jan 2025#18

Humour: light, relevant humour is welcome. Cruel humour targeting individuals or groups is not.

That is the version I use. It may not be the version that is correct.

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