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Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone posts 121–130

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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r.marsdenTL3Regular22 Feb 2025#121

Building on post #118 rather than restating it.

For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check.

It is the sort of thing that seems obvious in retrospect and was not at the time.

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a.amankwahTL223 Feb 2025 · edited#122

Post #120 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Mass accuracy is expressed in parts per million. It is the difference between observed and theoretical mass divided by theoretical mass, multiplied by a million. A high-resolution instrument in good calibration achieves low single-digit ppm on a peptide of this size.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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PSundbergTL2Member23 Feb 2025#123
m.agyeman, post #96: Coming back to post #92, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy. Go to post

Having read the whole distinguishing a deletion sequence thread before replying: the question in the first post has not actually been answered yet, and three of us have answered a nearby one instead.

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f.fontaineTL223 Feb 2025#124
r.mensa, post #1: Distinguishing a deletion sequence by mass alone Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Trying to establish the boundary conditions on distinguishing a deletion sequence. The general claim is fine; I want to know where it stops holding, because that is where I am operating. Three edge cases… Go to post

Trying to state the distinguishing a deletion sequence position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular23 Feb 2025#125

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

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k.okaforTL224 Feb 2025#126

Agreed, and I will stop repeating the version of this I had been repeating.

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LeitermanTL324 Feb 2025#127
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c.balogunTL224 Feb 2025#128
buffer_review, post #115: I had written a reply contradicting post #113 and deleted it. Here is what survived. Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct. It cost nothing to check and would have cost something not to. Go to post

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular24 Feb 2025 · edited#129

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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a.petrovTL224 Feb 2025#130

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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