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Mass error in ppm: the arithmetic and the caveat posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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e.silvaTL214 Feb 2026#61
a.lindholm, post #7: No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored. Go to post

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

That is one dataset and I would not build a rule on it.

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l.ferreiraTL214 Feb 2026#62
j.fonseca, post #55: An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error. Go to post

Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not.

The answer changed when I changed how I was measuring, which was informative.

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v.salgadoTL214 Feb 2026#63

What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else.

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an.adeyemiTL214 Feb 2026#64

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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v.klausenTL3Regular14 Feb 2026#65

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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h.fonsecaTL214 Feb 2026#66
v.klausen, post #65: Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible. A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations. Go to post

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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h.koodziejTL2Member14 Feb 2026#67

Post #65 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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s.solbergTL214 Feb 2026#68

Adding the measurement that post #65 says would settle it.

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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v.milanoviTL3Regular14 Feb 2026 · edited#69
l.ferreira, post #62: Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not. The answer changed when I changed how I was measuring, which was informative. Go to post

Post #65 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

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f.petrovTL214 Feb 2026#70
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s.stavrianosTL2Member14 Feb 2026#71

Taking post #68 at face value and following it one step further.

Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material.

The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here.

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g.danquahTL214 Feb 2026#72

Post #71 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Trifluoroacetate adducts are common in material purified with TFA and are one reason a mass spectrum from a peptide can look busier than expected.

I have no interest in any supplier named above.

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glossary_checkTL2Member14 Feb 2026#73

Mass error in ppm is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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s.perrinTL214 Feb 2026#74
c.inglethorpe, post #2: An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error. I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer. Go to post

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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t.waldenstrmTL2Member14 Feb 2026 · edited#75
k.batista, post #11: Adding the measurement that post #10 says would settle it. The arithmetic for a doubly charged species is (M + 2 x 1.00728) / 2, and the analogous expression for higher charge states. Working it through once makes the reported values legible. Go to post

A methods point on mass error in ppm rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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s.radichTL214 Feb 2026#76

Post #74 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

I would treat the number as indicative rather than as a measurement.

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BuchholzTL2Member14 Feb 2026#77

The arithmetic in post #76 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Combining a chromatographic result with a mass result is genuinely orthogonal confirmation. Either alone leaves a specific class of problem invisible, and the two classes do not overlap much.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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ew.kuuselaTL214 Feb 2026#78
s.stavrianos, post #71: Taking post #68 at face value and following it one step further. Sample preparation for mass spectrometry can itself introduce modifications, particularly oxidation. A finding at trace level may be telling you about the preparation rather than the material. The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here. Go to post

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular14 Feb 2026#79
a.mwangi, post #3: The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. What mass accuracy establishes: the measured mass is consistent with a specific composition. What it does not establish: purity, sequence order, stereochemistry, or the absence of an isobaric species. Every one of those requires something else. Go to post

For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check.

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a.krastevTL214 Feb 2026#80

Answering the mass error in ppm question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.

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an.adeyemiTL214 Feb 2026#81
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e.silvaTL214 Feb 2026#82

I will take the caveat as seriously as the claim, which is the point of putting it there.

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l.ferreiraTL214 Feb 2026#83

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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h.koodziejTL2Member14 Feb 2026#84
e.coelho, post #22: Adding a data point of agreement rather than a data point. Go to post

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

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j.castellanosTL214 Feb 2026#85

Where I part company with post #83, and it is a narrow parting.

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

I have kept the units in throughout, for the obvious reason.

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j.sorensenTL215 Feb 2026#86

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there.

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c.rasmussenTL215 Feb 2026#87

I would call the community position on mass error in ppm likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge.

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e.lokkenTL215 Feb 2026#88
r.erdogan, post #33: Post #32 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied. Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #87 says would settle it.

Tandem mass spectrometry: MS/MS fragments the molecular ion and uses fragment masses to confirm identity and detect modifications. A simple identity confirmation by LC-MS does not address post-translational modifications or impurities with the same or very close mass.

That is a description of practice, not a recommendation of it.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist15 Feb 2026#89
m.guerrero, post #13: Combining a chromatographic result with a mass result is genuinely orthogonal confirmation. Either alone leaves a specific class of problem invisible, and the two classes do not overlap much. This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not. Go to post

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

Worth one more sentence than it usually gets.

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a.wikstromTL215 Feb 2026#90