This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
The failure mode on taste changes and food aversion is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.
Taking post #31 at face value and following it one step further.
Reported effects on taste and on food preference are common and interesting and unstudied in any detail. They are also the ones people find most disconcerting.
I would call that likely rather than established.
Summarising the taste changes and food aversion thread so far, since it is long and the answer is buried: the first reply has the method, the fourth has the correction to it, and the rest is people agreeing at length.
Good question, well framed, and I would like to see it answered properly.
Building on post #35 rather than restating it.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice.
A methods point on taste changes and food aversion rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.
Adding the measurement that post #39 says would settle it.
Agreed on taste changes and food aversion, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.
Building on post #40 rather than restating it.
The published rates come from populations that were titrated on a defined schedule with clinical supervision. Rates from a forum are not comparable and are biased by who chooses to post.
Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.
Answering the taste changes and food aversion question as asked, then the question I think is meant. As asked: yes, with the qualification below. As meant: it depends on how the first measurement was taken.
Fatigue: commonly reported, frequently multifactorial. It is worth asking whether other factors have changed (sleep, training volume, diet adequacy, hydration) before attributing all of it to the compound. Some fatigue resolves with time; some persists.
Post #44 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.
Constipation is reported at least as often as nausea and is discussed a fraction as much. Fluid, fibre and movement are the boring answers and they are the ones that work.
The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
Answering the question post #46 raises rather than the one it answers.
Taste changes and food aversion is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.
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