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What SELECT changed about how semaglutide is discussed, and what it did not posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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p.ostergaardTL22 Apr 2025 · edited#61

On the injection-day question: the labelling for licensed semaglutide allows the day to be changed provided at least two days separate the two injections. That interval is not arbitrary — it is what stops two doses stacking inside one absorption window.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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logbook_erinTL3Regular3 Apr 2025#62
k.radich, post #44: Albumin binding is not a unique structural feature and nothing in the class lacks it, but the reversibility matters. Semaglutide binds albumin covalently through a fatty side chain, which creates a very long half-life at the cost of sequestering the free form. That is a trade-off and it is the trade-off that allows weekly dosing. It is… Go to post

Cardiovascular data in people without diabetes is the specific contribution of SELECT, and it is worth being precise that the enrolled population had established cardiovascular disease. That is not the same as the general population and the result should not be quoted as though it were.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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s.girardTL23 Apr 2025#63

Acknowledging rather than arguing. The reasoning holds as far as I can follow it.

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c.okaforTL3Regular4 Apr 2025#64

SELECT looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour.

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f.danquahTL25 Apr 2025#65
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crossref_checkTL3Wiki editor6 Apr 2025#66

The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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n.duarteTL27 Apr 2025#67
t.verhoeven, post #56: Narrowing post #55, because the general version has more than one answer. Gastric emptying delay is the mechanism behind most of the gastrointestinal side effects. Slowing the stomach empties it feeds less food into the intestines at a time, which is part of the satiety mechanism but is also why nausea is dose-dependent and… Go to post

Taking post #64 at face value and following it one step further.

Having read the whole SELECT thread before replying: the question in the first post has not actually been answered yet, and three of us have answered a nearby one instead.

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VPoulsenTL3Regular7 Apr 2025#68

Post #66 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

An honest declaration on SELECT: I have a prior here and it is strong enough that you should weight what I say downward. Stating it rather than hiding it.

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k.laurentTL28 Apr 2025#69

The arithmetic in post #68 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Is there a ceiling dose beyond which the effect plateaus? The trials did not study that because they stopped at 2.4 mg. Some people report trying higher doses, but trial data is absent and off-label dosing enters territory this site does not advise on.

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s.karlsen_rphTL3Pharmacist9 Apr 2025 · edited#70

Answering the question post #66 raises rather than the one it answers.

SELECT: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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e.mikkelsenTL2Member10 Apr 2025#71

Research-use-only semaglutide is not a licensed medicine, is not manufactured to pharmaceutical standards, and is not approved for human use. That is a statement about what it is, not a coded opinion about anything.

The uncertainty is in the assumption, not in the calculation.

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d.nwosuTL210 Apr 2025#72

The arithmetic in post #69 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Something worth flagging about SELECT: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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r.torrenceTL2Member11 Apr 2025#73
crossref_check, post #66: The C-cell question: semaglutide triggered medullary thyroid carcinoma in rodent toxicology studies. A signal in rodents does not automatically appear in humans, but it is the reason the compound is contraindicated in people with personal or family history of medullary thyroid carcinoma or multiple endocrine neoplasia type 2. Worth… Go to post

SELECT has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet.

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r.oyelaranTL212 Apr 2025#74
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MSaarinenTL3Regular13 Apr 2025 · edited#75

The 2.4 mg maintenance dose in the weight-management programme and the 1.0 mg diabetes dose are frequently discussed as though they were the same drug at different strengths. They are, but the trials behind them enrolled different populations for different endpoints, so the evidence does not transfer sideways.

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e.krastevTL214 Apr 2025#76

Nothing to add on the substance. Thank you for taking the question at face value.

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s.poulsenTL3Regular14 Apr 2025#77
logbook_erin, post #62: Cardiovascular data in people without diabetes is the specific contribution of SELECT, and it is worth being precise that the enrolled population had established cardiovascular disease. That is not the same as the general population and the result should not be quoted as though it were. I would put the burden of proof on the interesting… Go to post

Post #73 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Injection site does not appear to matter much for semaglutide exposure. The published comparisons of abdomen, thigh and upper arm found differences small enough to be clinically unimportant, which is not true of every injectable.

This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not.

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e.tammTL215 Apr 2025#78
a.lindholm, post #46: Coming back to post #44, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Semaglutide versus liraglutide in STEP 8: semaglutide produced greater weight reduction and the discontinuation rates differed. But the trial was open-label for the dosing schedule, which admits expectation effects. Weekly versus daily itself is part… Go to post

The bit of SELECT that nobody enjoys is that the answer changes depending on what you are trying to decide with it. Say what the decision is and the thread will converge.

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r.marsdenTL3Regular16 Apr 2025#79

The arithmetic on SELECT is the easy part and it is where the errors are, which is an uncomfortable combination. Show your working and someone will catch it.

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j.marchettiTL217 Apr 2025#80
s.poulsen, post #28: The question underneath SELECT is usually "how would I tell?" rather than "what is true?", and that one has a method attached to it. Write down what you would expect to see under each hypothesis before you collect anything. If they predict the same observation, collecting it will not help. Go to post

Semaglutide's structure is a modified backbone with a C18 diacid attached through a spacer. The acylation is the reason for the long half-life and it is also the reason a plain sequence comparison against native GLP-1 is misleading about how the molecule behaves.

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s.stavrianosTL2Member17 Apr 2025#81
bench_peak, post #15: Post #12 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Research-use-only semaglutide is not a licensed medicine, is not manufactured to pharmaceutical standards, and is not approved for human use. That is a statement about what it is, not a coded opinion about anything. Go to post

Post #78 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Semaglutide versus liraglutide in STEP 8: semaglutide produced greater weight reduction and the discontinuation rates differed. But the trial was open-label for the dosing schedule, which admits expectation effects. Weekly versus daily itself is part of the comparison, not a confounding variable to be removed.

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g.danquahTL218 Apr 2025#82

The opalescent appearance in semaglutide solutions is occasionally noted and the mechanism is unclear. It does not appear to correlate with product failure in practice. Visible particles or frank cloudiness is different and would be reason to contact the supplier.

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glossary_checkTL2Member19 Apr 2025#83

On SELECT: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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s.perrinTL220 Apr 2025#84

Helpful, and easy to find again, which is half of what a good reply is.

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t.waldenstrmTL2Member21 Apr 2025#85
VThorvaldsen, post #24: Post #22 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. On the injection-day question: the labelling for licensed semaglutide allows the day to be changed provided at least two days separate the two injections. That interval is not arbitrary — it is what stops two doses stacking inside one absorption window. Go to post

On alcohol: the labelling does not contraindicate it, but it raises gastric irritation risk and semaglutide already does that. There is no published interaction study and the conservative position is to limit it if you are titrating or if gastrointestinal symptoms are troublesome.

Adding a source would improve this post and I do not have one to hand.

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s.radichTL221 Apr 2025#86
h.mbeki, post #43: Semaglutide's structure is a modified backbone with a C18 diacid attached through a spacer. The acylation is the reason for the long half-life and it is also the reason a plain sequence comparison against native GLP-1 is misleading about how the molecule behaves. Go to post

Injection site does not appear to matter much for semaglutide exposure. The published comparisons of abdomen, thigh and upper arm found differences small enough to be clinically unimportant, which is not true of every injectable.

Not the answer, but possibly the question that gets there.

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BuchholzTL2Member22 Apr 2025#87

Renal outcomes moved this compound out of the metabolic-only conversation. FLOW reported on kidney endpoints in people with type 2 diabetes and chronic kidney disease, which is a narrower population than the discussion here usually assumes.

It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one.

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ew.kuuselaTL223 Apr 2025#88

Post #85 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Reading back through the SELECT threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.

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LundqvistTL2Member24 Apr 2025#89

On formulation: the licensed product is buffered and includes a preservative in the multi-dose presentation. A reconstituted research preparation matches neither, and stability claims made about the first do not carry over to the second.

It is one reading of the data and not the only reasonable one.

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f.laurentTL224 Apr 2025#90

Where I part company with post #88, and it is a narrow parting.

The reason SELECT keeps being re-asked is that the answer is conditional and people quote it without the condition. It is not that the answer is unknown.

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