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A request that was declined, and the reasoning — a second dataset

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batchlogTL3Regular4 Aug 2025#1

A request that was declined, and the reasoning — a second dataset Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Process question about how this site works.

I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I would like to understand the reasoning behind it, because I suspect the reasoning is better than the rule sounds.

Not a complaint. If the answer is "because of a failure mode you have not seen yet", I would like to hear about the failure mode.

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r.venkatesanTL3Wiki editor4 Aug 2025#2

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

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p.trevinoTL24 Aug 2025#3
r.venkatesan, post #2: Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change. Go to post

Good question, well framed, and I would like to see it answered properly.

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isotonic_sheetTL3Regular4 Aug 2025 · edited#4
batchlog, post #1: A request that was declined, and the reasoning — a second dataset Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Process question about how this site works. I have read the guidelines and the trust-level page and I still have a question about the mechanism rather than the rule. Specifically, I would… Go to post

Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it.

This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is not.

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an.zamoraTL25 Aug 2025#5

Requests for a document covering something the evidence does not support get declined, and the decline usually points at what could be written instead.

Happy to be corrected if someone holds better data than mine.

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RodriguesTL3Regular5 Aug 2025#6

Name a willing maintainer in the request. Point three of the criteria stops more nominations than the other three combined.

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n.ramosTL25 Aug 2025#7
isotonic_sheet, post #4: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is not. Go to post

On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly.

I would hold that lightly until someone with a larger sample weighs in.

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SHermansenTL2Member5 Aug 2025#8

Picking up post #5: that is the part I would want checked first.

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

That is the practical version. The rigorous version is longer and says the same thing.

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d.ferreiraTL25 Aug 2025#9

I had written a reply contradicting post #5 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Scope the request narrowly. A page about one thing gets written and stays current; a page about a field does not.

For what it is worth, the same held on the two occasions I checked.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician5 Aug 2025#10

Confirming post #9 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs.

Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice.

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d.moreauTL2Regular6 Aug 2025#11

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

If that reads as pedantic, it is, and it has saved me twice.

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z.cardosoTL26 Aug 2025#12

This is the first time the answer has come with its own limits attached. Appreciated.

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electrolyte_notesTL2Regular6 Aug 2025#13
isotonic_sheet, post #4: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is not. Go to post

Post #10 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

Written from notes rather than memory, which is why the numbers are specific.

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b.dumitruTL26 Aug 2025 · edited#14
n.ramos, post #7: On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly. I would hold that lightly until someone with a larger sample weighs in. Go to post

Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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nl_translatorTL2Translator · NL6 Aug 2025#15

Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters.

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v.bruunTL26 Aug 2025#16

Documents that are mostly a worked example age better than documents that are mostly a summary, because the arithmetic does not change.

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k.redgraveTL2Member6 Aug 2025#17

Post #14 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Requests for a page summarising a supplier are declined, because that is what the vendor documentation set is for and it has its own standards.

It is one reading of the data and not the only reasonable one.

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s.ivaturiTL27 Aug 2025#18
d.moreau, post #11: Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added. If that reads as pedantic, it is, and it has saved me twice. Go to post

Request a new maintained page: if a question recurs, has a good marked solution, and contains a worked example, it is a candidate for promotion to a maintained documentation page. Post your nomination in this subcategory with a link to the topic.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist7 Aug 2025#19

The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not.

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h.bakkerTL27 Aug 2025#20

Post #16 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

A request is more likely to succeed with a proposed outline attached. "Somebody should write about X" rarely moves; a structure and two sections does.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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m.almeidaTL27 Aug 2025#21
b.dumitru, post #14: Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these. A modest claim, modestly supported. Go to post

Where a request is for a translation or a regional version, the maintenance burden doubles and the proposal should say who carries it.

One of those cases where knowing the mechanism does not help the decision.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular7 Aug 2025#22
bias_variance, post #10: Confirming post #9 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs. Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice. Go to post

Confirming post #21 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly.

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k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE7 Aug 2025#24

Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it.

It took me longer than it should have to see that.

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v.kjaerTL28 Aug 2025#25
b.dumitru, post #14: Coming back to post #13, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these. A modest claim, modestly supported. Go to post

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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d.bramleyTL3Regular8 Aug 2025 · edited#26

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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h.jansenTL28 Aug 2025#27

Answering the question post #25 raises rather than the one it answers.

Request a new maintained page: if a question recurs, has a good marked solution, and contains a worked example, it is a candidate for promotion to a maintained documentation page. Post your nomination in this subcategory with a link to the topic.

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GEldridgeTL3Regular8 Aug 2025#28

I will take the caveat as seriously as the claim, which is the point of putting it there.

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an.kirchnerTL28 Aug 2025#29

Grateful for the specificity. Vague answers to this question are what sent me looking.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular8 Aug 2025#30
n.ramos, post #7: On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly. I would hold that lightly until someone with a larger sample weighs in. Go to post

Name a willing maintainer in the request. Point three of the criteria stops more nominations than the other three combined.

Genuinely open to being wrong about this one.

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