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A ten-fold dose error caught before injection — one year on

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IsaksenTL3Regular31 Jul 2025#1

On the subject in the title: A ten-fold dose error caught before injection — one year on Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Two things I would like separated before anyone answers on ten-fold dose error caught, because they get bundled and then argued about as one thing.

The first is descriptive: what has actually been observed, by whom, and how. The second is causal: why. I am asking about the first only.

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k.okaforTL231 Jul 2025#2

Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose.

Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.

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LeitermanTL3Regular31 Jul 2025#3
Isaksen, post #1: On the subject in the title: A ten-fold dose error caught before injection — one year on Working notes rather than a conclusion. Two things I would like separated before anyone answers on ten-fold dose error caught, because they get bundled and then argued about as one thing. The first is descriptive: what has actually been observed, by… Go to post

Post #2 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Silicone coating on the barrel affects how smoothly the plunger moves and how a very slow injection feels. It is one reason two syringes at the same specification are not identical to use.

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g.ekstromTL231 Jul 2025 · edited#4
k.okafor, post #2: Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose. Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one. Go to post

Where I part company with the opening post, and it is a narrow parting.

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of ten-fold dose error caught yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular31 Jul 2025#5

Narrowing post #2, because the general version has more than one answer.

Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error.

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pe.onwukaTL231 Jul 2025#6

Worth separating ten-fold dose error caught as a question about the compound from ten-fold dose error caught as a question about the documentation. They get answered by different people and only one of them is answerable here.

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j.habermannTL3Regular31 Jul 2025#7
Isaksen, post #1: On the subject in the title: A ten-fold dose error caught before injection — one year on Working notes rather than a conclusion. Two things I would like separated before anyone answers on ten-fold dose error caught, because they get bundled and then argued about as one thing. The first is descriptive: what has actually been observed, by… Go to post

Small correction to my own earlier position on ten-fold dose error caught. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely.

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ni.stanescuTL21 Aug 2025#8
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desiccant_notesTL2Member1 Aug 2025#9

Post #6 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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s.roosTL21 Aug 2025#10
j.habermann, post #7: Small correction to my own earlier position on ten-fold dose error caught. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely. Go to post

I read post #9 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Before the thread moves on from ten-fold dose error caught — what is the sample size behind the claim? I am not being difficult; I have seen the same figure quoted from an n of four and from an n of four hundred.

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f.rasmussenTL21 Aug 2025#11
ambient_review, post #5: Narrowing post #2, because the general version has more than one answer. Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #7 runs together.

Source for the ten-fold dose error caught figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is.

Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers.

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m.dalgaardTL3Regular1 Aug 2025#12

Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering.

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e.adeyemiTL21 Aug 2025#13

This is the first time the answer has come with its own limits attached. Appreciated.

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policy_readerTL2Regular1 Aug 2025#14

U-100 means the barrel is graduated for a solution containing one hundred units of insulin per millilitre. For anything that is not insulin, the units are simply hundredths of a millilitre.

Genuinely open to being wrong about this one.

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m.mwangiTL21 Aug 2025#15
ni.stanescu, post #8: Second this, and I would have said it less carefully. Go to post

What would change my mind on ten-fold dose error caught is a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in the first. Until then I hold it loosely and I would rather say so than pretend to more.

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g.tanakaTL3Regular1 Aug 2025#16
ambient_review, post #5: Narrowing post #2, because the general version has more than one answer. Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error. Go to post

Drawing air into the vial before withdrawing liquid equalises the pressure and makes the draw easier. It is not required and it is why some people find a full vial harder to draw from than a half-empty one.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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m.ilungaTL21 Aug 2025 · edited#17

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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d.szymanskiTL3Wiki editor1 Aug 2025#18

Confirming post #15 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

On ten-fold dose error caught, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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s.teixeiraTL21 Aug 2025#19
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KAnderssonTL3Regular1 Aug 2025#20

Building on post #18 rather than restating it.

Buying a box of the wrong barrel size is the most common regret described in this subcategory, and the reason is nearly always that the dose was decided after the syringes.

That is all I can say without guessing.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner1 Aug 2025#21
j.habermann, post #7: Small correction to my own earlier position on ten-fold dose error caught. I had the units the wrong way round, which changes the conclusion by an order of magnitude and therefore changes it entirely. Go to post

Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity.

Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here.

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m.vukovicTL21 Aug 2025#22
m.dalgaard, post #12: Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering. Go to post

Answering the question post #18 raises rather than the one it answers.

Check what the graduations actually say rather than what you expect. A syringe marked in units and one marked in millilitres look similar at a glance and are not the same instrument.

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sourced_claimsTL3Regular1 Aug 2025#23

Reusing a needle blunts it and there is no benefit to offset that. The second injection with the same needle is the one people describe as painful.

Written in the hope of being told what I have missed.

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ro.zielinskiTL21 Aug 2025#24

Drawing through a wider needle and injecting through a thinner one is a reasonable approach for a viscous preparation and pointless for an aqueous one.

I am reporting what happened, not recommending it.

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priorauth_notesTL2Regular1 Aug 2025 · edited#25

Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering.

Noting that I have skin in this question and have tried to discount for it.

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m.kjaerTL21 Aug 2025#26
m.dalgaard, post #12: Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering. Go to post

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

A weak preference rather than a position.

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microgramsTL2Regular1 Aug 2025#27

Adding thanks rather than a view. I do not have a view worth the space.

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e.mbekiTL21 Aug 2025#28

One more thing on ten-fold dose error caught that took me far too long to see: the two figures people quote are not measuring the same quantity. Once you notice that, the apparent contradiction disappears.

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s.bruunTL21 Aug 2025#29
m.mwangi, post #15: What would change my mind on ten-fold dose error caught is a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in the first. Until then I hold it loosely and I would rather say so than pretend to more. Go to post

Needle length for subcutaneous delivery is a question about tissue depth and injection angle together. Short needles at ninety degrees and longer ones at an angle reach comparable depths.

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g.rasmussenTL21 Aug 2025#30

A methods point on ten-fold dose error caught rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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