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A ten-fold dose error caught before injection — one year on posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.strand_rphTL33 Aug 2025#91
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d.eriksenTL23 Aug 2025#92

Silicone coating on the barrel affects how smoothly the plunger moves and how a very slow injection feels. It is one reason two syringes at the same specification are not identical to use.

The disagreement above is smaller than it looks once the terms are fixed.

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ppm_errorTL3Analytical chemist3 Aug 2025#93
r.bruun, post #33: Where I part company with post #29, and it is a narrow parting. Drawing air into the vial before withdrawing liquid equalises the pressure and makes the draw easier. It is not required and it is why some people find a full vial harder to draw from than a half-empty one. Go to post

Marking my uncertainty on ten-fold dose error caught explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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b.vanheckeTL23 Aug 2025#94

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

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preregisteredTL3Research methods3 Aug 2025#95

Nothing to add on the substance. Thank you for taking the question at face value.

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a.pereiraTL23 Aug 2025#96

Graduation spacing is worth checking before you buy rather than after. Some 1 mL barrels are marked every two units and some every one, and that changes what doses you can read.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular3 Aug 2025#97
n.ekstrom, post #44: Drawing through a wider needle and injecting through a thinner one is a reasonable approach for a viscous preparation and pointless for an aqueous one. Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests. Go to post

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

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n.cardosoTL24 Aug 2025 · edited#98
sourced_claims, post #23: Reusing a needle blunts it and there is no benefit to offset that. The second injection with the same needle is the one people describe as painful. Written in the hope of being told what I have missed. Go to post

Post #96 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Reading units correctly: look at the marking from the side, not from above or below. The bottom of the plunger tip is the reading. Parallax error (wrong angle) is a source of dosing error.

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s.cardosoTL24 Aug 2025#99

Reusing a needle blunts it and there is no benefit to offset that. The second injection with the same needle is the one people describe as painful.

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g.ibarraTL24 Aug 2025#100

Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum.

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f.laurentTL24 Aug 2025#101

Two claims get bundled together under ten-fold dose error caught and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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LundqvistTL2Member4 Aug 2025#102

Check what the graduations actually say rather than what you expect. A syringe marked in units and one marked in millilitres look similar at a glance and are not the same instrument.

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j.solbergTL24 Aug 2025#103
sourced_claims, post #34: Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum. Go to post

Aspirating before injection: for subcutaneous injection, aspirating (pulling back on the plunger to check for blood) is not necessary and is sometimes discouraged because it is associated with more discomfort. Subcutaneous injection without aspiration is standard practice.

A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member4 Aug 2025#104

Post #103 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

A detachable luer needle plus hub can retain enough volume to matter. Whether it matters to you depends on your dose, and the arithmetic is worth doing once.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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k.chukwuTL24 Aug 2025#105

Drawing air into the vial before withdrawing liquid equalises the pressure and makes the draw easier. It is not required and it is why some people find a full vial harder to draw from than a half-empty one.

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apostille_traceTL1Member4 Aug 2025#106

A note on scope: what I am saying about ten-fold dose error caught applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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c.falkTL24 Aug 2025#107
ro.zielinski, post #24: Drawing through a wider needle and injecting through a thinner one is a reasonable approach for a viscous preparation and pointless for an aqueous one. I am reporting what happened, not recommending it. Go to post

Right — I had this wrong and I am glad to have read it before it mattered.

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septum_entryTL2Member4 Aug 2025#108

Confirming post #106 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Drawing through a wider needle and injecting through a thinner one is a reasonable approach for a viscous preparation and pointless for an aqueous one.

I have deliberately not rounded that, because the rounding is where the argument starts.

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n.nybergTL24 Aug 2025#109

Insulin syringe graduations: U-100 syringes are marked in units where 100 units = 1 mL. Always confirm your syringe is U-100. Confusion between insulin units and milligrams is the most common syringe error.

Caveat: everything above assumes the paperwork is what it says it is.

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c.lundgrenTL24 Aug 2025#110
dietitian_hollis, post #50: Sharps containers are a legal requirement for disposal in several jurisdictions and a sensible precaution everywhere. A rigid sealed container is the minimum. That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category. Go to post

Taking post #108 at face value and following it one step further.

Needle length: typical lengths for subcutaneous injection are 4-6 mm (short), 8 mm (standard), or 10-12 mm (longer). Longer needles are needed for deeper tissue or if you have abdominal adiposity.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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a.kravchenkoTL24 Aug 2025#111

I have been on both sides of the ten-fold dose error caught argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular4 Aug 2025#112
Ziegler, post #84: That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth. Go to post

Noted, and thank you for writing it out rather than summarising it.

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e.roosTL24 Aug 2025#113

Building on post #110 rather than restating it.

Needle gauge: smaller numbers (30G) are finer and less painful. Larger numbers (25G) are courser. For subcutaneous injection, 27-30G is typical. Finer needles take longer to draw up but hurt less.

It cost nothing to check and would have cost something not to.

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s.grahameTL2Member4 Aug 2025#114

Post #113 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The version of ten-fold dose error caught that I was taught turned out to be a teaching simplification. Useful, and not true in the way I had assumed it was.

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r.ilungaTL24 Aug 2025#115

Needle length for subcutaneous delivery is a question about tissue depth and injection angle together. Short needles at ninety degrees and longer ones at an angle reach comparable depths.

Posting it because the silence on this was starting to look like agreement.

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e.dalgleishTL34 Aug 2025#116
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b.teixeiraTL24 Aug 2025 · edited#117
m.vukovic, post #22: Answering the question post #18 raises rather than the one it answers. Check what the graduations actually say rather than what you expect. A syringe marked in units and one marked in millilitres look similar at a glance and are not the same instrument. Go to post

Syringe barrel size: common sizes are 0.3 mL, 0.5 mL, and 1.0 mL. Smaller barrels are more legible for small doses. Larger barrels hold larger volumes. Choose based on your dose.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular4 Aug 2025#118

Where I part company with post #117, and it is a narrow parting.

Buying a box of the wrong barrel size is the most common regret described in this subcategory, and the reason is nearly always that the dose was decided after the syringes.

I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer.

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n.zielinskiTL24 Aug 2025#119

Agreed on all of that, and I have nothing to add to it.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular4 Aug 2025 · edited#120

Barrel size determines resolution and nothing else. A 0.3 mL barrel and a 1 mL barrel deliver the same volume equally well; the smaller one lets you see what you are delivering.

Happy to expand any of that if it is the useful part.

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