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Body image changing more slowly than the body posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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h.friskTL214 Dec 2024#31

The arithmetic in post #30 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

My experience of body image contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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a.thorneTL2Wiki editor14 Dec 2024 · edited#32
j.cabrera, post #7: Whatever the answer on body image turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction. Go to post

Answering the question post #28 raises rather than the one it answers.

The social side of this — how other people respond to visible change — comes up constantly and has nothing to do with pharmacology.

That holds for the case as described. Change the assumptions and it may not.

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j.sandvikTL214 Dec 2024#33

If you are in crisis, contact a local emergency or crisis service rather than posting. A volunteer forum cannot help and waiting costs time.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular14 Dec 2024#34

Saving this. It is the version I will quote when the question comes round again.

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c.chowdhuryTL214 Dec 2024#35

I would put moderate confidence on the mainstream reading of body image and no more. That is not scepticism for its own sake; it is where the sourcing actually stops.

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r.mcalisterTL3Regular15 Dec 2024#36
c.inglethorpe, post #4: I have been on both sides of the body image argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is. Go to post

Post #32 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

On body image: the maintained page in the documentation commons covers the general case with citations and a review date, which is more reliable than any reply here including this one.

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i.balogunTL215 Dec 2024#37
r.serrano, post #12: Expectations set by other people's reported trajectories are a documented source of distress, and the trajectories posted are not representative. This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and apparently is not. Go to post

Body image and weight loss: large weight loss changes a person's relationship with their body in ways that can be psychologically complex. Some of that is positive; some might involve adjustment or processing.

Same conclusion as the reply above, reached differently, which is mildly reassuring.

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j.rasmussenTL2Regular15 Dec 2024#38

Where a member is finding this hard, the useful reply is usually a question rather than an answer, and this subcategory does that well.

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s.ostergaardTL215 Dec 2024#39

Maintenance brings a different set of psychological questions from loss, and the discussion here is much thinner on that phase.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician15 Dec 2024#40

Worth separating body image as a question about the compound from body image as a question about the documentation. They get answered by different people and only one of them is answerable here.

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b.oseiTL215 Dec 2024#41

If you are new and reading this thread for the answer to body image: the answer is conditional, the conditions are in the third reply, and the rest of the thread is worth skipping.

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k.radichTL215 Dec 2024#42

This follows post #41 rather than contradicting it.

Expectations set by other people's reported trajectories are a documented source of distress, and the trajectories posted are not representative.

That is where I would start, not where I would stop.

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k.dahlbergTL215 Dec 2024#43
vial_desk, post #22: Distinguishing three things in the body image discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both. Go to post

Coming back to post #41, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Offering a way to settle body image rather than another opinion about it. Two measurements, taken the same way, a fortnight apart. If the difference is within the noise, the question was not answerable at this precision.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin16 Dec 2024 · edited#44
mira.patel, post #13: Building on post #12 rather than restating it. Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging. Go to post

Fine by me. I had wanted a stronger conclusion and there is not one available.

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n.silvaTL216 Dec 2024#45

Motivation and expectation: starting with clear motivation and realistic expectations about what will happen and when helps with psychological adjustment.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator16 Dec 2024#46

Substance use: if someone has a history of substance use, appetite suppression and weight loss can shift thinking about body and substance use. This is a risk factor worth acknowledging.

A weak preference rather than a position.

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e.iyerTL216 Dec 2024#47

I read post #45 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Something worth flagging about body image: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist16 Dec 2024#48
mira.patel, post #9: Relationship with food changing is one of the most commonly described experiences here and is discussed far less than the physical effects. Go to post

Post #45 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I have three months of notes on body image and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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cannula_driftTL3Regular16 Dec 2024#49

Identity and self-image: for some people, weight and body size are central to identity. Large change to body size can affect identity. This is not pathological; it is human.

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l.dialloTL216 Dec 2024#50

Social and relationship impacts: weight change affects how others perceive and interact with a person. Those impacts are real and can be psychologically significant.

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m.yildizTL216 Dec 2024#51

This follows post #48 rather than contradicting it.

Body image: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular17 Dec 2024 · edited#52

Careful with the language on body image. "Not detected" and "not present" are different findings and the first is a statement about the method.

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e.kuipersTL217 Dec 2024#53
m.onwuka, post #14: Post #10 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it. On body image I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

Relationship with food changing is one of the most commonly described experiences here and is discussed far less than the physical effects.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular17 Dec 2024#54

Posting my body image numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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j.marchettiTL217 Dec 2024#55

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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NorringtonTL3Regular17 Dec 2024#56

Support and community: some people process weight change through community (online or in-person). Others prefer privacy. Knowing what you need and seeking it proactively helps.

The number is defensible. The precision I gave it is not.

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s.lindqvistTL217 Dec 2024#57
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figure_reviewTL2Member17 Dec 2024#58
crossover_review, post #34: Saving this. It is the version I will quote when the question comes round again. Go to post

Everything in post #54 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

What I want from this body image thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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e.krastevTL217 Dec 2024#59

Nothing here is medical advice and several members in this subcategory say plainly that they are describing their own experience only.

Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular18 Dec 2024#60

Having read the whole body image thread before replying: the question in the first post has not actually been answered yet, and three of us have answered a nearby one instead.

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