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Coming back to: An 18-month record including the parts that went badly posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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endpoint_marginTL225 Mar 2025#31
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b.teixeiraTL227 Mar 2025#32

That is a fair summary of where the discussion has got to.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular30 Mar 2025#33

Practical note on 18-month record: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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n.zielinskiTL21 Apr 2025#34
forest_plot, post #25: On 18-month record I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

A single scale used throughout beats a more accurate scale introduced halfway through. Consistency beats accuracy for a trend.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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OTeixeiraTL3Regular4 Apr 2025#35
unit_conversion, post #21: What I can speak to on 18-month record is narrow, so I will keep it narrow rather than generalising from it. Beyond that boundary I do not know. Go to post

Adding the boring version of 18-month record, because the interesting version keeps getting posted and the boring one is usually right.

Check the ordinary explanations, in order, and stop when one of them accounts for what you are seeing. Most of the time the second one does.

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s.oyelaranTL26 Apr 2025#36

Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record.

Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here.

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OkaforTL3Regular9 Apr 2025 · edited#37

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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i.oseiTL211 Apr 2025#38

Taking post #35 at face value and following it one step further.

I keep a log for 18-month record specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.

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BirkelandTL3Regular14 Apr 2025#39

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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v.rautioTL216 Apr 2025#40
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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator19 Apr 2025#41
n.villalobos, post #28: Worth separating two things that post #24 runs together. The honest answer on 18-month record is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Taking post #38 at face value and following it one step further.

I think the 18-month record question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread.

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j.fonsecaTL221 Apr 2025#42

Non-scale victories: muscle gain or maintenance, clothing fit, energy level, and capability (like climbing stairs without breathlessness) are measurements that scale-based weight misses.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist23 Apr 2025#43

18-month record would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator.

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n.kuuselaTL226 Apr 2025#44

I read post #42 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Adding a null result on 18-month record. I looked, carefully, and found nothing, and null results deserve posting precisely because they never are.

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n.nybergTL228 Apr 2025#45
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t.pereiraTL21 May 2025 · edited#46

I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about 18-month record than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked.

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f.villalobosTL23 May 2025#47

Narrowing post #44, because the general version has more than one answer.

A note on scope: what I am saying about 18-month record applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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c.grimaldiTL25 May 2025#48
z.cardoso, post #22: I had written a reply contradicting post #20 and deleted it. Here is what survived. Maintenance series are the ones this subcategory needs most and receives least. The interesting questions all change once loss stops. Go to post

Everything in post #46 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Menstrual cycle: for people who menstruate, weight can shift by several pounds across the cycle due to fluid retention and other factors. Noting cycle phase when weighing reduces apparent noise.

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k.chukwuTL28 May 2025 · edited#49

What I would tell a new member reading about 18-month record for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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z.laurentTL210 May 2025#50

Where I part company with post #46, and it is a narrow parting.

Where the 18-month record reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.

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fr.translation_moTL212 May 2025#51
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k.marchandTL215 May 2025#52

That is a cleaner way of putting what I was circling around.

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m.haddadTL2Regular17 May 2025#53

I have been on both sides of the 18-month record argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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a.delgadoTL219 May 2025 · edited#54

One caution on 18-month record: everything above assumes the underlying documentation is what it claims to be. That assumption is doing real work and is rarely stated.

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l.ibarraTL2Regular21 May 2025#55
s.oyelaran, post #36: Plateaus and resets: if weight loss stalls and then resumes, that is ordinary. It is not evidence that the medication stopped working. It is not evidence that it is still working either. It is a data point in a longer record. Speaking for myself and not for anyone else who has posted here. Go to post

Post #53 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Self-reported intake is optimistic in a consistent direction, and saying so in your own report is more credible than not.

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a.kirchnerTL224 May 2025#56

Building on post #53 rather than restating it.

18-month record was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread.

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appeals_deskTL3Regular26 May 2025#57

On 18-month record, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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h.lindqvistTL228 May 2025#58
a.kirchner, post #56: Building on post #53 rather than restating it. 18-month record was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread. Go to post

Nothing here is medical advice and a progress report is a description of what happened to one person under uncontrolled conditions.

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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club30 May 2025#59

No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored.

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j.vogelTL22 Jun 2025#60

I would be cautious about generalising from the 18-month record example above. It is a good example. It is one example.

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