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Coming back to: Specificity, linearity, accuracy, precision, range, robustness — with real criteria posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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d.yilmazTL221 Jun 2026#61

Two claims get bundled together under Specificity and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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m.lindqvistTL222 Jun 2026#62

Accuracy for a purity assay is usually demonstrated by spike recovery across a range. Without a reference standard, that is exactly the work that cannot be done, which is why reference material matters.

That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.

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r.restrepoTL222 Jun 2026#63
quiet_lurker, post #27: Post #24 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different. A method that reports the same number for every lot is worth a second look. Real processes vary, and a total absence of variation is a statement about the measurement rather than the process. If that is already documented somewhere, ignore me and link it. Go to post

Post #61 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Reporting a result to more decimal places than the method's precision supports is a small dishonesty that appears everywhere. A method with a two per cent relative standard deviation does not support a figure quoted to a hundredth.

I have changed my mind on this once already, so take it as current rather than settled.

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c.correiaTL223 Jun 2026#64

Forced degradation under acid, base, oxidation, heat and light is how specificity is actually demonstrated. The chromatograms from that work are more informative than the release data.

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me.eriksenTL224 Jun 2026#65

Range: the concentration range over which the method has been validated. Going outside the validated range is going outside the method's demonstrated performance.

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m.lehtinenTL225 Jun 2026#66

Linearity: the detector response is proportional to compound concentration across the working range. Demonstrated by running standards at multiple concentrations and showing R-squared values typically ≥0.99.

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c.cardosoTL226 Jun 2026 · edited#67
g.bakken, post #22: Forced degradation under acid, base, oxidation, heat and light is how specificity is actually demonstrated. The chromatograms from that work are more informative than the release data. Go to post

Narrowing post #64, because the general version has more than one answer.

Specificity: the method can distinguish the intended compound from related impurities and degradation products. Tested by comparing results on pure compounds, mixtures of compounds, and degraded samples.

On reflection I would soften that slightly.

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f.sjobergTL227 Jun 2026#68

Everything in post #66 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

An independent laboratory's method being different from the supplier's is not a discrepancy. It becomes one only when the results differ by more than both methods' demonstrated precision.

The evidence for this is thinner than the way I have phrased it suggests.

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am.wikstromTL227 Jun 2026#69

Post #68 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Linearity across the working range is a routine demonstration and it constrains how far a result can be extrapolated. A method linear from 80 to 120 per cent of nominal says nothing about a sample at ten per cent.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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d.magalhesTL2Member28 Jun 2026#70

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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l.vukovicTL229 Jun 2026#71

The version of Specificity that I was taught turned out to be a teaching simplification. Useful, and not true in the way I had assumed it was.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular30 Jun 2026#72

Post #69 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Whatever the answer on Specificity turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction.

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an.ibarraTL21 Jul 2026#73
m.yildiz, post #30: I had written a reply contradicting post #27 and deleted it. Here is what survived. Practical answer on Specificity, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not. Go to post

Precision has two levels worth distinguishing: repeatability within a run and intermediate precision across days, analysts and instruments. The second is where most methods lose the numbers people quote.

I would rather post the uncertainty than round it away.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular2 Jul 2026#74

Robustness testing deliberately varies the parameters most likely to drift — organic percentage, pH, temperature, flow — and shows the result does not. It is the part of validation that predicts whether a method will transfer.

The general case is well covered; this is the awkward specific one.

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sa.rasmussenTL22 Jul 2026#75

Range and working range are different things and a certificate rarely distinguishes them. The relevant one is the range over which this particular sample was measured.

Happy to be the one who is wrong here if it settles the question.

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i.aranda_esTL2Translator · ES3 Jul 2026#76

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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i.ilungaTL24 Jul 2026 · edited#77
s.lindqvist, post #24: Everything in post #22 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have. Where a pharmacopoeial monograph exists, a method that follows it inherits a great deal of assurance. Almost nothing discussed here has one. That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category. Go to post

Answering the question post #73 raises rather than the one it answers.

On Specificity, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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sleep_logTL2Regular5 Jul 2026#78

A method that reports the same number for every lot is worth a second look. Real processes vary, and a total absence of variation is a statement about the measurement rather than the process.

Not a conclusion. A place to stand while looking for one.

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y.adebayoTL26 Jul 2026#79
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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist6 Jul 2026#80
c.cardoso, post #67: Narrowing post #64, because the general version has more than one answer. Specificity: the method can distinguish the intended compound from related impurities and degradation products. Tested by comparing results on pure compounds, mixtures of compounds, and degraded samples. On reflection I would soften that slightly. Go to post

Accuracy: the method measures what you intend to measure. For purity methods, this is tested by spike-and-recover experiments: add a known amount of impurity to a sample and measure whether you recover the added amount.

Written quickly, so the reasoning may be tighter than the wording.

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n.cardosoTL27 Jul 2026#81

This follows post #78 rather than contradicting it.

Robustness: the method gives consistent results when minor parameters vary. Tested by deliberately varying pH, temperature, flow rate, and mobile phase composition within reasonable ranges and demonstrating that results stay within acceptance.

One case, stated as one case.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular8 Jul 2026#82
g.tanaka, post #18: Precision and repeatability: within-run and between-run variability of the method. Acceptance criterion is typically a relative standard deviation of ≤2% for area measurements. Go to post

System suitability: injections run at the start of a batch to establish that the instrument and column are performing. Acceptance criteria typically include replicate precision (RSD ≤2%), peak tailing (0.8–1.5), theoretical plates (>2000), and resolution (>1.5).

Stating my assumptions rather than smuggling them in.

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a.pereiraTL29 Jul 2026#83
l.sarkissian, post #46: Worth separating two things that post #44 runs together. The documentation on Specificity is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread. Go to post

Limits of detection and quantitation: LOD is the lowest concentration that produces a signal above background. LOQ is the lowest concentration at which the method meets precision and accuracy acceptance criteria. Both are determined empirically.

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preregisteredTL3Research methods10 Jul 2026#84

I would call the community position on Specificity likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge.

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y.ibarraTL210 Jul 2026#85

One more thing on Specificity that took me far too long to see: the two figures people quote are not measuring the same quantity. Once you notice that, the apparent contradiction disappears.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular11 Jul 2026 · edited#86

Specificity is the first question: does the method separate the analyte from everything reasonably expected to be present? A method that has not been challenged with its own degradation products has not answered it.

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n.vukovicTL212 Jul 2026#87
m.ramos, post #57: Taking Specificity seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences. Go to post

Robustness: the method gives consistent results when minor parameters vary. Tested by deliberately varying pH, temperature, flow rate, and mobile phase composition within reasonable ranges and demonstrating that results stay within acceptance.

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plateau_notesTL2Regular13 Jul 2026#88

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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a.nascimentoTL214 Jul 2026#89
d.magalhes, post #70: Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere. Go to post

Accuracy for a purity assay is usually demonstrated by spike recovery across a range. Without a reference standard, that is exactly the work that cannot be done, which is why reference material matters.

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d.bramleyTL3Regular14 Jul 2026#90
h.nwosu, post #2: Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Limits of detection and quantitation: LOD is the lowest concentration that produces a signal above background. LOQ is the lowest concentration at which the method meets precision and accuracy acceptance criteria. Both are determined empirically. Go to post

Post #89 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

System suitability: injections run at the start of a batch to establish that the instrument and column are performing. Acceptance criteria typically include replicate precision (RSD ≤2%), peak tailing (0.8–1.5), theoretical plates (>2000), and resolution (>1.5).

Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so.

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