This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.
Worth separating two things that post #60 runs together.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
Where the Dizziness on standing reasoning breaks down for me is the step from the group result to the individual case. That step is almost never argued for.
Post #63 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
Dizziness on standing would be much easier to settle if anyone reported the denominator. Almost nobody reports the denominator.
On post #63 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.
The published rates come from populations that were titrated on a defined schedule with clinical supervision. Rates from a forum are not comparable and are biased by who chooses to post.
That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more.
Picking up post #63: that is the part I would want checked first.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
A note on scope: what I am saying about Dizziness on standing applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.
The published rates come from populations that were titrated on a defined schedule with clinical supervision. Rates from a forum are not comparable and are biased by who chooses to post.
Worth checking against a second source before it gets quoted onward.
Trying to state the Dizziness on standing position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.
Taking Dizziness on standing seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.
Post #68 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
If someone has run Dizziness on standing properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.
The published rates come from populations that were titrated on a defined schedule with clinical supervision. Rates from a forum are not comparable and are biased by who chooses to post.
Posted with less confidence than the sentence structure implies.
Reading back through the Dizziness on standing threads from last year, the same three questions come up every time and only one of them has ever been answered properly. That seems like a documentation gap rather than a knowledge gap.
Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.
The published rates come from populations that were titrated on a defined schedule with clinical supervision. Rates from a forum are not comparable and are biased by who chooses to post.
This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
If that reads as pedantic, it is, and it has saved me twice.
Taking post #81 at face value and following it one step further.
Adding a reference point for Dizziness on standing. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately.
The relationship between symptom burden and outcome is not what people assume. Feeling worse is not evidence of a larger effect and feeling nothing is not evidence of an inactive preparation.
That has been true for the cases I have seen and I have not seen many.
Marking my place. If it changes for me I will come back and say so.