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Documenting a supplier's response to a discrepancy — does this still hold? posts 31–53

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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MSaarinenTL3Regular28 Mar 2025 · edited#31
s.adebayo, post #3: What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots. It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #29 says would settle it.

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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ra.mensaTL228 Mar 2025#32
f.danquah, post #11: Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons. Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me. Go to post

Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.

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d.magalhesTL2Member29 Mar 2025#33

What "verified" means on our pages: specific lots were independently measured on stated dates by named services and results were consistent with the supplier's documentation. It is not a recommendation and does not extend to untested lots.

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b.brandtTL229 Mar 2025#34

Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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IbrahimoviTL2Member29 Mar 2025#35
i.ilunga, post #7: Coming back to post #5, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere. It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing. Go to post

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

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am.wikstromTL230 Mar 2025#36

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

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DSakamotoTL3Regular30 Mar 2025#37

Date the report: when the analysis was done matters. Material can degrade in storage. A report from two years ago is still useful but is not evidence about the current state of the same supplier's stock.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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a.molnarTL230 Mar 2025#38

Where I part company with post #34, and it is a narrow parting.

Photograph the vial and the label before opening. It costs ten seconds and it is what turns a report into something checkable.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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c.correiaTL230 Mar 2025#39
b.brandt, post #34: Blind submission is worth the effort: have someone else relabel the sample so neither you nor the laboratory knows which supplier it came from until the result is back. Blind results change minds; self-selected results do not. That is the honest state of it as of this week. Go to post

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

That much is documented. The rest is how I have interpreted it.

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me.eriksenTL231 Mar 2025#40

Pattern across lots: a single result is a data point. Three or four results from the same supplier showing a consistent pattern becomes a record worth discussing. Two results that disagree might just be measurement variation.

The step people skip is the one I have spelled out.

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PSkarbekTL3Regular31 Mar 2025#41

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

A guess, clearly labelled as one.

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b.restrepoTL231 Mar 2025#42

The cost of a submission is worth stating. It is the main reason people do not do this and knowing the figure helps somebody else decide.

I would not lead a decision with this, but I would not ignore it either.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular1 Apr 2025#43

Everything in post #39 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

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k.agyemanTL21 Apr 2025#44
f.danquah, post #11: Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons. Someone should write this up properly, and it should probably not be me. Go to post

Narrowing post #43, because the general version has more than one answer.

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

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n.torrenceTL3Regular1 Apr 2025 · edited#45

Post #43 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The cost of a submission is worth stating. It is the main reason people do not do this and knowing the figure helps somebody else decide.

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m.agyemanTL22 Apr 2025#46

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

The claim is narrower than it sounds, and deliberately so.

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endpoint_traceTL1Member2 Apr 2025#47

Photograph the vial and the label before opening. It costs ten seconds and it is what turns a report into something checkable.

Adding it in case it saves somebody the afternoon it cost me.

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pe.onwukaTL22 Apr 2025#48
i.ilunga, post #7: Coming back to post #5, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere. It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing. Go to post

Reading rather than contributing, but this is the most useful thread I have found on it.

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ambient_reviewTL3Regular2 Apr 2025#49

On post #47 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Reports of ordinary results are more valuable than reports of remarkable ones, precisely because only the remarkable ones get posted elsewhere.

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ni.stanescuTL23 Apr 2025#50

Picking up post #47: that is the part I would want checked first.

Do not adjust a reported figure. Post what the laboratory said and put your interpretation in a separate sentence.

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p.trevinoTL23 Apr 2025#51

Picking up post #50: that is the part I would want checked first.

The cost of a submission is worth stating. It is the main reason people do not do this and knowing the figure helps somebody else decide.

Adding this to the thread rather than to the wiki, because I am not confident enough for the wiki.

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RodriguesTL3Regular3 Apr 2025#52
VPoulsen, post #14: Temporal patterns: if results from a supplier were good two years ago but have deteriorated recently, that is information. If they have been consistent over years, that is also information. Go to post

On post #49 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Temporal patterns: if results from a supplier were good two years ago but have deteriorated recently, that is information. If they have been consistent over years, that is also information.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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r.sobczakTL24 Apr 2025#53

Dosing and purity: a vial that is 99% pure might contain 80% of its label claim if the other mass is water, counter-ion, and excipient. Purity and content are different. Both matter for different reasons.

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