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Journal club: indirect comparison between two programmes, defended and attacked posts 121–132

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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d.vestergaardTL218 Jul 2026#121

What I would tell a new member reading about indirect comparison for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular19 Jul 2026 · edited#122

SURMOUNT-OSA (N Engl J Med 2024): Tirzepatide in obstructive sleep apnoea, using an objective physiological endpoint. Notable because soft endpoints are avoided. Two parallel trials addressed the confounder directly.

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s.salgadoTL220 Jul 2026#123

Adding the measurement that post #122 says would settle it.

An update on my earlier indirect comparison post: the pattern held for another six weeks and then stopped, which I did not predict and cannot explain.

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vial_tableTL2Member21 Jul 2026#124
m.kjaer, post #67: On post #65 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Where the group cannot agree, record the disagreement rather than resolving it by seniority. The recorded disagreement is more honest and more useful later. Go to post

Post #120 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

The figures usually contain the finding and the text usually contains the interpretation. Separating them for the first twenty minutes is a discipline worth keeping.

I would want a second opinion before relying on that.

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f.lindholmTL221 Jul 2026#125

Critical appraisal template: (1) What did the trial set out to estimate? (2) Could the design answer that question? (3) Was the population sufficiently similar to your population to apply the results? (4) What was the absolute effect, not just the relative one? (5) What are the two strongest criticisms available?

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integrator_logTL3Regular22 Jul 2026#126

Indirect comparison sits at the boundary between what this community can usefully discuss and what it cannot, and I think it falls on the discussable side, narrowly.

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b.friskTL223 Jul 2026#127
m.lehtinen, post #54: SURPASS-2 (N Engl J Med 2021): Direct comparison of tirzepatide with semaglutide 1.0 mg. The 1.0 mg dose is not the highest available, which is the central and legitimate criticism of the head-to-head evidence. I have separated what I observed from what I concluded, which does not always happen. Go to post

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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buffer_sheetTL3Regular24 Jul 2026#128
d.barros, post #83: STEP 1 (N Engl J Med 2021): The pivotal obesity trial for semaglutide and the reference point for most subsequent comparison. Mean weight reduction was substantially larger than anything previously achieved pharmacologically. That is the version I use. It may not be the version that is correct. Go to post

Indirect comparison is worth one more sentence than it usually gets, and the sentence is the one about how the number was arrived at.

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n.szaboTL225 Jul 2026#129

The most common failure mode is spending fifty minutes on the effect size and ten on the population. Reversing that ratio would improve most sessions.

Reading it again, the caveat matters more than the finding.

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integrator_draftTL3Regular26 Jul 2026#130

Grateful for the specificity. Vague answers to this question are what sent me looking.

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r.restrepoTL227 Jul 2026#131

Coming back to post #128, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

An hour is enough for one paper read properly and not enough for two read partly. The temptation is always to add the second.

That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category.

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m.lindqvistTL228 Jul 2026#132

Post #131 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The figures usually contain the finding and the text usually contains the interpretation. Separating them for the first twenty minutes is a discipline worth keeping.

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