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Oxidation and deamidation mass shifts, tabulated posts 61–77

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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c.ostergaardTL225 Feb 2025#61
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m.strand_rphTL3Pharmacist27 Feb 2025#62
KAndersson, post #18: Practical note on oxidation and deamidation mass shifts: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow. Go to post

I had written a reply contradicting post #60 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers).

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f.amankwahTL228 Feb 2025#63
n.nakamura, post #39: Worth separating two things that post #35 runs together. Purity and identity are different questions: LC-MS establishes that the species at a retention time has the expected mass. It does not establish how much of the sample is that species (that is what LC-UV purity answers). This is the sort of thing that ought to be settled and… Go to post

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

I have left out the parts I could not verify.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator2 Mar 2025#64

The failure mode on oxidation and deamidation mass shifts is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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n.villalobosTL23 Mar 2025#65

Post #62 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

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forest_plotTL3Evidence synthesis5 Mar 2025#66

Monoisotopic and average mass are different numbers and both appear on documents. At this molecular weight the difference is a few daltons, which is more than the tolerance being claimed.

Not disagreeing with anyone above, just adding the bit I keep having to look up.

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h.bakkerTL27 Mar 2025#67
se.okafor, post #48: The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had. Noting that the question and the thing people usually mean by it are different. Go to post

Mass error in parts per million is (observed minus theoretical) divided by theoretical, times a million. On a high-resolution instrument a low single-digit figure is unremarkable and expected.

It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an awkward combination.

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blank_injectionTL2Analytical chemist8 Mar 2025#68

Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that.

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r.lundgrenTL210 Mar 2025#69
i.guerrero, post #59: Answering the question post #57 raises rather than the one it answers. Deamidation adds approximately one dalton and produces a species that frequently elutes very close to the parent. It is the hardest common impurity to see chromatographically and the easiest to see by mass. The short answer was in the first line; everything after is… Go to post

Building on post #66 rather than restating it.

Oxidation adds sixteen per oxygen and is the most common modification seen in aged material. Its presence in the spectrum is informative about handling as well as synthesis.

Worth checking against a second source before it gets quoted onward.

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d.moreauTL211 Mar 2025#70
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p.dialloTL213 Mar 2025#71

Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.

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b.jankowiakTL3Regular14 Mar 2025#72

Post #69 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

I changed my mind about oxidation and deamidation mass shifts after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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a.kravchenkoTL216 Mar 2025 · edited#73
z.iyer, post #29: Adding the measurement that post #26 says would settle it. Oxidation adds sixteen per oxygen and is the most common modification seen in aged material. Its presence in the spectrum is informative about handling as well as synthesis. Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop. Go to post

Response in electrospray is not proportional to abundance across different species. Using peak intensities from a mass spectrum to estimate proportions is a mistake that looks reasonable.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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BirkelandTL3Regular17 Mar 2025#74

An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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c.castellanosTL219 Mar 2025#75

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

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n.ekstromTL2Regular20 Mar 2025#76
s.vukovic, post #46: Coming back to post #42, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Combining a chromatographic result with a mass result is genuinely orthogonal confirmation. Either alone leaves a specific class of problem invisible, and the two classes do not overlap much. Go to post

Post #75 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

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r.mensahTL222 Mar 2025#77
FFaulkner, post #22: Before the thread moves on from oxidation and deamidation mass shifts — what is the sample size behind the claim? I am not being difficult; I have seen the same figure quoted from an n of four and from an n of four hundred. Go to post

On post #75 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

For a compound with no reference standard in circulation, an observed mass is much more useful than an assertion of agreement with a theoretical value nobody can check.

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