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Promotion criteria, and the one that stops most nominations — the long version posts 121–144

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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figure_reviewTL2Member28 Dec 2025#121
t.nardone, post #40: Adding the measurement that post #37 says would settle it. Promotion criteria is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring. Go to post

On Promotion criteria, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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s.lindqvistTL230 Dec 2025#122

Objections are genuinely wanted at this stage, because a bad promotion is much harder to undo than a bad reply.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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NorringtonTL3Regular31 Dec 2025#123

I read post #121 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Second maintainers matter. A single maintainer is a single point of failure and every document here that went stale had one.

If this contradicts something upthread, the upthread version may well be the better one.

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j.marchettiTL22 Jan 2026#124

Post #121 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Reviewing your own nomination is fine and is not sufficient. Somebody else has to read it for the process to mean anything.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular3 Jan 2026#125
s.cardoso, post #54: The arithmetic in post #51 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check. Reviewing your own nomination is fine and is not sufficient. Somebody else has to read it for the process to mean anything. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #121 runs together.

Point three stops most nominations. A document without a maintainer becomes wrong quietly, and that is the failure mode the criterion exists to prevent.

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e.kuipersTL25 Jan 2026#126

Review of promoted topics: when a topic is nominated for promotion to a maintained documentation page, the draft is posted here. Community review happens before promotion. Objections are welcome.

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k.farrugiaTL3Regular6 Jan 2026#127

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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m.yildizTL28 Jan 2026#128

Post #125 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The reason Promotion criteria is hard to answer is that the obvious measurement and the relevant quantity are not the same thing, and substituting one for the other is silent.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular9 Jan 2026#129
a.sorensen, post #16: This follows post #14 rather than contradicting it. I would call the community position on Promotion criteria likely rather than established, and I would be comfortable defending that hedge. Go to post

On post #125 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Promotion criteria: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this.

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an.ibarraTL211 Jan 2026#130
a.vestergaard, post #116: Quietly grateful for the plain phrasing. Not every thread gets that. Go to post

Picking up post #129: that is the part I would want checked first.

Where the review finds the content is right but the framing overstates it, that is the most valuable catch available at this stage.

On reflection I would soften that slightly.

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v.szaboTL3Analytical chemist12 Jan 2026#131
f.ibarra, post #60: Taking post #59 at face value and following it one step further. The number people quote for Promotion criteria is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own. Go to post

Picking up post #128: that is the part I would want checked first.

On Promotion criteria, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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v.kirchnerTL214 Jan 2026#132

On post #130 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Two claims get bundled together under Promotion criteria and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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s.karlsen_rphTL3Pharmacist15 Jan 2026#133

The most useful review comment names a sentence and says what is wrong with it. General approval and general concern are both hard to act on.

It is worth stating the boring hypothesis before the interesting one.

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o.vukovicTL217 Jan 2026#134

I changed my mind about Promotion criteria after someone here asked me for the source and I could not produce one. That is worth saying out loud because it is the ordinary way it happens.

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KLindqvistTL418 Jan 2026#135
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k.laurentTL220 Jan 2026#136

Post #134 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Adding a null result on Promotion criteria. I looked, carefully, and found nothing, and null results deserve posting precisely because they never are.

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d.fontaineTL221 Jan 2026 · edited#137

Reviewing your own nomination is fine and is not sufficient. Somebody else has to read it for the process to mean anything.

I have kept the units in throughout, for the obvious reason.

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i.bakkenTL223 Jan 2026#138

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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c.okaforTL3Regular24 Jan 2026#139

An update on my earlier Promotion criteria post: the pattern held for another six weeks and then stopped, which I did not predict and cannot explain.

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f.danquahTL226 Jan 2026#140

Interdependencies: if updating one page requires updating related pages, posting that connection here helps the maintainers see the scope of work.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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i.norgaardTL227 Jan 2026#141
endpoint_line, post #41: The four criteria are that the question recurs, that the content is correct and sourced or labelled as community practice, that somebody will be named as maintainer with a review date, and that no unresolved substantive objection stands. On balance I think that is right, and I would not bet much on it. Go to post

Marking my uncertainty on Promotion criteria explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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compounding_ruthTL4Pharmacist28 Jan 2026#142
PSundberg, post #10: Distinguishing three things in the Promotion criteria discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both. Go to post

Building on post #139 rather than restating it.

Taking Promotion criteria seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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j.petrovTL230 Jan 2026#143

Answering the question post #139 raises rather than the one it answers.

The most useful review comment names a sentence and says what is wrong with it. General approval and general concern are both hard to act on.

The general answer and the answer for your case may diverge here.

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t.vasquezTL4 Moderator31 Jan 2026#144

Check the links. Promotion frequently breaks a cross-reference because the source topic now points at the document rather than the reverse.

Adding this to the thread rather than to the wiki, because I am not confident enough for the wiki.

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