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Requesting a page: what makes a good request — what changed since posts 61–90

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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s.adebayoTL211 Oct 2024#61

This follows post #58 rather than contradicting it.

Requests for a page summarising a supplier are declined, because that is what the vendor documentation set is for and it has its own standards.

I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer.

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weekly_pinTL2Regular11 Oct 2024#62

Request a new maintained page: if a question recurs, has a good marked solution, and contains a worked example, it is a candidate for promotion to a maintained documentation page. Post your nomination in this subcategory with a link to the topic.

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h.lindqvistTL211 Oct 2024#63

Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly.

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formulary_notesTL3Regular11 Oct 2024 · edited#64
citation_index, post #6: Authority and authorship: if you think a maintained page needs input from someone with specific expertise (a clinician, an analytical chemist) suggest who might contribute. Go to post

A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these.

The conclusion is tentative; the arithmetic underneath it is not.

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r.ekstromTL211 Oct 2024#65
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TL4_HalvorsenTL4Leader · Journal club11 Oct 2024#66

Post #64 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

That much is documented. The rest is how I have interpreted it.

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t.dumitruTL211 Oct 2024#67
c.lundgren, post #51: Grateful for the specificity. Vague answers to this question are what sent me looking. Go to post

The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow11 Oct 2024#68
TL4_Halvorsen, post #66: Post #64 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added. That much is documented. The rest is how I have interpreted it. Go to post

Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs.

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a.wikstromTL211 Oct 2024#69
GSwinburne, post #8: On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly. That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close. Go to post

Scope creep: if you think a page is attempting too much and should be split into multiple pages, that is a reasonable suggestion.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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chromatogramTL4Analytical chemist11 Oct 2024#70

Post #68 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Flag a page that has drifted: if you notice a maintained page has information that is outdated (dates that have passed, regulatory changes, new evidence) post a flag so the maintainers see it.

I checked the source rather than the summary, and they differ.

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s.silvaTL211 Oct 2024#71

Where a request is for a translation or a regional version, the maintenance burden doubles and the proposal should say who carries it.

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e.kimaniTL211 Oct 2024#72
a.wikstrom, post #69: Scope creep: if you think a page is attempting too much and should be split into multiple pages, that is a reasonable suggestion. That is the honest state of it as of this week. Go to post

Building on post #71 rather than restating it.

A page that would need to be rewritten every quarter is usually better as a topic with a good marked solution.

That is all I can say without guessing.

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p.amankwahTL211 Oct 2024#73

This settles it for me, at least until somebody posts a reason it should not.

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e.ferrariTL211 Oct 2024#74

Requesting a page: I have looked for the primary source twice and failed twice. Either it does not exist or it is somewhere I do not know to look, and I would like to know which.

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l.dziedzicTL211 Oct 2024#75

Where I part company with post #71, and it is a narrow parting.

A calculator request and a document request are different things, and a calculator without a document explaining it is worse than neither.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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n.rahimiTL211 Oct 2024#76
a.kravchenko, post #5: Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs. Go to post

Post #75 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

If a request is declined, the reasoning is written down, and it is worth reading because it usually describes a better version of the same idea.

Caveat: everything above assumes the paperwork is what it says it is.

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a.ibarraTL211 Oct 2024 · edited#77
c.cardoso, post #56: The strongest case for a new document is a question that recurs and has a good answer buried in a reply. That is the promotion criterion as written. That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct. Go to post

Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters.

The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence.

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n.lehtinenTL211 Oct 2024#78

A document with no maintainer becomes wrong quietly, which is worse than not existing, because it carries the authority of a maintained page.

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c.tullochTL211 Oct 2024#79
a.ibarra, post #77: Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters. The strength of my opinion here exceeds the strength of my evidence. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #75 runs together.

Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it.

Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator11 Oct 2024#80

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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p.iyer_pharmdTL3Pharmacist12 Oct 2024#81

Same experience here, different supplier, so it is at least not unique to one of them.

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h.iyerTL212 Oct 2024#82

The number people quote for Requesting a page is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own.

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blank_injectionTL2Analytical chemist12 Oct 2024#83
MJayawardena, post #48: Where I part company with post #46, and it is a narrow parting. I have three months of notes on Requesting a page and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #82 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Authority and authorship: if you think a maintained page needs input from someone with specific expertise (a clinician, an analytical chemist) suggest who might contribute.

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n.villalobosTL212 Oct 2024#84
t.dumitru, post #67: The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not. Go to post

Answering the question post #82 raises rather than the one it answers.

Correction requests: if you spot an error in a maintained page, note it here with the specific correction. The maintainer will review and update if justified.

That distinction has done more work for me than anything else in this category.

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b.okonkwoTL212 Oct 2024#85

Requests for a page summarising a supplier are declined, because that is what the vendor documentation set is for and it has its own standards.

It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing.

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f.amankwahTL212 Oct 2024#86

Scope the request narrowly. A page about one thing gets written and stays current; a page about a field does not.

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hana.satoTL4 Moderator12 Oct 2024#87
cohort_watch, post #59: Coming back to post #57, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. If a request is declined, the reasoning is written down, and it is worth reading because it usually describes a better version of the same idea. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #84 says would settle it.

Reading this Requesting a page thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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n.okwuosaTL212 Oct 2024#88

Translation suggestions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here helps the maintainers prioritise multilingual work.

Somebody will have a better source than mine, and I hope they post it.

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v.bhattacharyaTL212 Oct 2024#89
m.rasmussen, post #31: This is the answer, and the reason it is the answer is the more useful part. Go to post

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

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s.rasmussenTL212 Oct 2024#90

Coming back to post #86, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Review cadence should be part of the proposal. A page about a fast-moving area needs a shorter cycle and somebody willing to honour it.

Not disagreeing with anyone above, just adding the bit I keep having to look up.

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