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Requesting a page: what makes a good request — what changed since posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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m.rasmussenTL210 Oct 2024#31

This is the answer, and the reason it is the answer is the more useful part.

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j.baptistaTL210 Oct 2024#32
GSwinburne, post #8: On post #6 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly. That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close. Go to post

The most useful requests here identify a specific confusion that keeps recurring rather than a subject that seems important.

The interesting part of this is the exception, and I do not understand the exception.

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f.kimaniTL210 Oct 2024#33

Suggesting content for a page: if you know a maintained page is missing something important, post a suggestion with specific content you think should be added.

If that reads as pedantic, it is, and it has saved me twice.

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z.onwukaTL210 Oct 2024#34

Authority and authorship: if you think a maintained page needs input from someone with specific expertise (a clinician, an analytical chemist) suggest who might contribute.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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d.petrescuTL210 Oct 2024#35
s.chowdhury, post #13: Coming back to post #9, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. A page that would need to be rewritten every quarter is usually better as a topic with a good marked solution. Anyone with a larger sample, please post it. Go to post

Post #32 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Scope the request narrowly. A page about one thing gets written and stays current; a page about a field does not.

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t.abubakarTL210 Oct 2024#36
citation_index, post #6: Authority and authorship: if you think a maintained page needs input from someone with specific expertise (a clinician, an analytical chemist) suggest who might contribute. Go to post

Taking post #35 at face value and following it one step further.

Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it.

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c.dahlbergTL210 Oct 2024#37

Flag a page that has drifted: if you notice a maintained page has information that is outdated (dates that have passed, regulatory changes, new evidence) post a flag so the maintainers see it.

Worth one more sentence than it usually gets.

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i.coelhoTL210 Oct 2024#38

Scope creep: if you think a page is attempting too much and should be split into multiple pages, that is a reasonable suggestion.

Small point, but it is the one that usually catches people.

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buffer_marginTL3Regular10 Oct 2024#39

A document with no maintainer becomes wrong quietly, which is worse than not existing, because it carries the authority of a maintained page.

If it helps: the failure mode here is usually boring rather than dramatic.

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k.agyemanTL210 Oct 2024#40

Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it.

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e.roosTL210 Oct 2024#41
SHermansen, post #29: Building on post #26 rather than restating it. If a request is declined, the reasoning is written down, and it is worth reading because it usually describes a better version of the same idea. Go to post

Review cadence should be part of the proposal. A page about a fast-moving area needs a shorter cycle and somebody willing to honour it.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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s.grahameTL2Member10 Oct 2024#42

A request is more likely to succeed with a proposed outline attached. "Somebody should write about X" rarely moves; a structure and two sections does.

That is where I would start, not where I would stop.

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r.ilungaTL210 Oct 2024#43

Confirming post #41 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Translation suggestions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here helps the maintainers prioritise multilingual work.

Happy to be the one who is wrong here if it settles the question.

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e.dalgleishTL3Regular10 Oct 2024#44
TL4_Halvorsen, post #17: Noted, and I have changed what I was going to do on the strength of it. Go to post

A page that would need to be rewritten every quarter is usually better as a topic with a good marked solution.

Adding the caveat now so it does not have to be extracted later.

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ma.balogunTL210 Oct 2024#45
o.abrahamsen, post #27: Objections to a request belong in the open, and a request that survives an objection is a stronger page for it. Go to post

Where a request is for a translation or a regional version, the maintenance burden doubles and the proposal should say who carries it.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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DOdendaalTL3Regular10 Oct 2024#46

Name a willing maintainer in the request. Point three of the criteria stops more nominations than the other three combined.

A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on.

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n.zielinskiTL210 Oct 2024 · edited#47

Post #44 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Format suggestions: if you think a maintained page could be clearer in its presentation (different section structure, different examples, added graphics) suggest the change.

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MJayawardenaTL3Regular10 Oct 2024#48

Where I part company with post #46, and it is a narrow parting.

I have three months of notes on Requesting a page and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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h.espinozaTL210 Oct 2024#49

The arithmetic in post #48 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Link the topics that prompted the request. The discussion is the evidence that the question recurs.

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y.mensahTL3Wiki editor10 Oct 2024#50

Helpful, and short, which on this subject is harder than long.

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c.lundgrenTL211 Oct 2024#51

Grateful for the specificity. Vague answers to this question are what sent me looking.

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r.restrepoTL211 Oct 2024#52
ch.correia, post #18: Translation suggestions: if a maintained page should exist in another language, suggesting it here helps the maintainers prioritise multilingual work. That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more. Go to post

Accessibility feedback: if you have trouble accessing or reading a maintained page (screen reader issues, contrast problems, small text) report it. Accessibility matters.

The honest answer is that it depends, and here is what it depends on.

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m.lindqvistTL211 Oct 2024#53

Post #49 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

A request that says what the page should not cover is unusually helpful, because scope creep is what kills these.

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d.yilmazTL211 Oct 2024#54

Adding the measurement that post #53 says would settle it.

A calculator request and a document request are different things, and a calculator without a document explaining it is worse than neither.

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f.sjobergTL211 Oct 2024#55

I had written a reply contradicting post #53 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Correction requests: if you spot an error in a maintained page, note it here with the specific correction. The maintainer will review and update if justified.

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c.cardosoTL211 Oct 2024#56
an.ibarra, post #14: Correction requests: if you spot an error in a maintained page, note it here with the specific correction. The maintainer will review and update if justified. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

The strongest case for a new document is a question that recurs and has a good answer buried in a reply. That is the promotion criterion as written.

That is what I would do. It may not be what is correct.

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m.lehtinenTL211 Oct 2024 · edited#57
KStephanopoulos, post #2: The strongest case for a new document is a question that recurs and has a good answer buried in a reply. That is the promotion criterion as written. Go to post

The commonest reason a good request stalls is that nobody converted it into a draft. A rough draft attracts editors; a request does not.

I looked this up rather than remembered it, which is the right order.

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n.nybergTL211 Oct 2024#58

Picking up post #57: that is the part I would want checked first.

I disagree with the framing of Requesting a page above, and I think it is a substantive disagreement rather than a terminological one. Setting out why, so it can be checked.

The reasoning depends on an assumption that is doing a lot of work and is never stated. If the assumption holds, the conclusion follows. I do not think it holds generally.

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cohort_watchTL2Member11 Oct 2024#59

Coming back to post #57, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

If a request is declined, the reasoning is written down, and it is worth reading because it usually describes a better version of the same idea.

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a.coelhoTL211 Oct 2024#60

Post #57 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Say what would make the page wrong. A page whose failure conditions are stated is much easier to review honestly.

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