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Revisiting: Heart failure with preserved ejection fraction: symptom endpoints

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s.poulsenTL3Regular30 Nov 2024#1

On the subject in the title: Revisiting: Heart failure with preserved ejection fraction: symptom endpoints Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Working notes on Heart failure with preserved ejection rather than a conclusion. I would rather post the reasoning while it can still be corrected than post the answer once I am committed to it.

Everything below is checkable. Where I have taken a figure from somewhere else I have said where; where I have estimated, I have said that too.

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d.barrosTL216 Dec 2024#2

Heart failure with preserved ejection is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one.

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o.cousineauTL3Regular28 Dec 2024#3

Asking about a population rather than about yourself is a legitimate framing and generally gets a better answer, because the general case is answerable.

This has been discussed before and I could not find the thread, so, again.

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a.silvaTL27 Jan 2025#4

The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Taking Heart failure with preserved ejection seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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c.niemelTL3Regular17 Jan 2025#5

Post-authorisation safety studies are the place where under-studied populations eventually appear, and they are public.

Somebody will have a better source than mine, and I hope they post it.

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s.ferreiraTL226 Jan 2025#6
d.barros, post #2: Heart failure with preserved ejection is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one. Go to post

If someone has run Heart failure with preserved ejection properly I would rather read that than my own reconstruction of it. Posting mine only because the thread has gone quiet.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular4 Feb 2025#7
a.silva, post #4: The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction. Taking Heart failure with preserved ejection seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences. Go to post

Building on post #6 rather than restating it.

Agreed on Heart failure with preserved ejection, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.

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r.mwangiTL213 Feb 2025 · edited#8

Post #4 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The practical value of this subcategory is helping somebody frame the question they take to an appointment, and that is worth being explicit about.

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j.asanteTL221 Feb 2025#9
d.barros, post #2: Heart failure with preserved ejection is well covered in the tag pages, and the older discussions are better than the recent ones because they were argued out properly. Worth twenty minutes before adding to this one. Go to post

Two people in this thread mean different things by Heart failure with preserved ejection and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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