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Specificity, linearity, accuracy, precision, range, robustness — with real criteria — a second dataset

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m.silvaTL225 Apr 2025#1

On the subject in the title: Specificity, linearity, accuracy, precision, range, robustness — with real criteria — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion.

Posting a small dataset on Specificity. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately.

What I would like is not agreement but a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in mine. If one exists I would rather read it than argue for this one.

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h.falkTL27 May 2025 · edited#2

Forced degradation under acid, base, oxidation, heat and light is how specificity is actually demonstrated. The chromatograms from that work are more informative than the release data.

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dr_bhattacharyaTL3Physician16 May 2025#3

A method that reports the same number for every lot is worth a second look. Real processes vary, and a total absence of variation is a statement about the measurement rather than the process.

Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one.

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t.duarteTL223 May 2025#4
m.silva, post #1: On the subject in the title: Specificity, linearity, accuracy, precision, range, robustness — with real criteria — a second dataset Working notes rather than a conclusion. Posting a small dataset on Specificity. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately. What I would like is not… Go to post

The opening post and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Range and working range are different things and a certificate rarely distinguishes them. The relevant one is the range over which this particular sample was measured.

That is the shape of it. The detail is where I would expect to be corrected.

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lc_gradientTL3Analytical chemist30 May 2025#5
dr_bhattacharya, post #3: A method that reports the same number for every lot is worth a second look. Real processes vary, and a total absence of variation is a statement about the measurement rather than the process. Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one. Go to post

Trying to state the Specificity position in a way that someone who disagrees would recognise as fair, because I do not think the version in this thread passes that test.

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d.vukovicTL26 Jun 2025#6

Specificity sits at the boundary between what this community can usefully discuss and what it cannot, and I think it falls on the discussable side, narrowly.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist12 Jun 2025#7

Building on post #6 rather than restating it.

Robustness testing deliberately varies the parameters most likely to drift — organic percentage, pH, temperature, flow — and shows the result does not. It is the part of validation that predicts whether a method will transfer.

If anyone can point at the primary source I would be grateful.

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s.okaforTL218 Jun 2025#8

Thank you — that answers what I came here to find out.

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KAnderssonTL3Regular24 Jun 2025 · edited#9

Robustness: the method gives consistent results when minor parameters vary. Tested by deliberately varying pH, temperature, flow rate, and mobile phase composition within reasonable ranges and demonstrating that results stay within acceptance.

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e.ferreiraTL3Regular30 Jun 2025#10

I had written a reply contradicting post #9 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

What I would tell a new member reading about Specificity for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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g.ekstromTL25 Jul 2025#11

An independent laboratory's method being different from the supplier's is not a discrepancy. It becomes one only when the results differ by more than both methods' demonstrated precision.

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LeitermanTL3Regular11 Jul 2025#12

The arithmetic in post #11 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Specificity: the method can distinguish the intended compound from related impurities and degradation products. Tested by comparing results on pure compounds, mixtures of compounds, and degraded samples.

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t.tullochTL216 Jul 2025#13

Post #11 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Practical note on Specificity: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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BBramleyTL3Regular21 Jul 2025#14
s.okafor, post #8: Thank you — that answers what I came here to find out. Go to post

Reporting a result to more decimal places than the method's precision supports is a small dishonesty that appears everywhere. A method with a two per cent relative standard deviation does not support a figure quoted to a hundredth.

If it helps: the failure mode here is usually boring rather than dramatic.

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a.lindqvistTL227 Jul 2025#15
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g.valckenaereTL3Regular1 Aug 2025#16

Linearity: the detector response is proportional to compound concentration across the working range. Demonstrated by running standards at multiple concentrations and showing R-squared values typically ≥0.99.

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i.amankwahTL26 Aug 2025 · edited#17

Where I part company with post #16, and it is a narrow parting.

Two things can be true about Specificity at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.

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j.vandermolenTL3Regular11 Aug 2025#18
KAndersson, post #9: Robustness: the method gives consistent results when minor parameters vary. Tested by deliberately varying pH, temperature, flow rate, and mobile phase composition within reasonable ranges and demonstrating that results stay within acceptance. Go to post

Post #16 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

I keep a log for Specificity specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.

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m.agyemanTL215 Aug 2025#19
g.ekstrom, post #11: An independent laboratory's method being different from the supplier's is not a discrepancy. It becomes one only when the results differ by more than both methods' demonstrated precision. Go to post

I read post #16 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The limit of quantitation determines what the impurity table can honestly contain. Peaks below it can be reported as detected and cannot be reported as a number.

Correct me on the arithmetic if it is wrong; I would rather know.

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taper_tableTL3Regular20 Aug 2025#20

Specificity is the first question: does the method separate the analyte from everything reasonably expected to be present? A method that has not been challenged with its own degradation products has not answered it.

I would call that likely rather than established.

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r.marsdenTL3Regular25 Aug 2025#21

Useful. I had the fact and not the reason, which turns out to be the important half.

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n.serranoTL230 Aug 2025#22
e.ferreira, post #10: I had written a reply contradicting post #9 and deleted it. Here is what survived. What I would tell a new member reading about Specificity for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer. Go to post

On Specificity the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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LeitermanTL3Regular3 Sep 2025#23

Picking up post #20: that is the part I would want checked first.

System suitability: injections run at the start of a batch to establish that the instrument and column are performing. Acceptance criteria typically include replicate precision (RSD ≤2%), peak tailing (0.8–1.5), theoretical plates (>2000), and resolution (>1.5).

That is all the detail I have. Someone else will have more.

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c.balogunTL28 Sep 2025#24

On post #22 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Accuracy: the method measures what you intend to measure. For purity methods, this is tested by spike-and-recover experiments: add a known amount of impurity to a sample and measure whether you recover the added amount.

Someone will know this better than I do and I hope they say so.

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sterile_tableTL3Regular13 Sep 2025#25

Precision and repeatability: within-run and between-run variability of the method. Acceptance criterion is typically a relative standard deviation of ≤2% for area measurements.

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y.eriksenTL217 Sep 2025#26
a.lindqvist, post #15: Linearity across the working range is a routine demonstration and it constrains how far a result can be extrapolated. A method linear from 80 to 120 per cent of nominal says nothing about a sample at ten per cent. Noting that the question and the thing people usually mean by it are different. Go to post

Posting my Specificity numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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PSundbergTL2Member22 Sep 2025#27

Adding the measurement that post #24 says would settle it.

Adding a small correction to the Specificity summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters.

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f.fontaineTL226 Sep 2025#28

Range: the concentration range over which the method has been validated. Going outside the validated range is going outside the method's demonstrated performance.

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revision_historyTL3Wiki editor1 Oct 2025 · edited#29
t.tulloch, post #13: Post #11 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it. Practical note on Specificity: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow. Go to post

Limits of detection and quantitation: LOD is the lowest concentration that produces a signal above background. LOQ is the lowest concentration at which the method meets precision and accuracy acceptance criteria. Both are determined empirically.

Worth saying I have only my own numbers here, and n is small.

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j.ivaturiTL25 Oct 2025#30
taper_table, post #20: Specificity is the first question: does the method separate the analyte from everything reasonably expected to be present? A method that has not been challenged with its own degradation products has not answered it. I would call that likely rather than established. Go to post

Where I part company with post #26, and it is a narrow parting.

Precision has two levels worth distinguishing: repeatability within a run and intermediate precision across days, analysts and instruments. The second is where most methods lose the numbers people quote.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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