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Follow-up: Tracking intake honestly when appetite is absent posts 91–107

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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z.onwukaTL214 Jun 2025#91
m.stephanopoulos, post #58: Everything in post #56 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have. I would rather this thread reach "we do not know" about Tracking intake than reach a confident answer that nobody can support when asked. Go to post

Renal considerations around higher protein intake apply to people with existing renal impairment and are frequently generalised beyond that population.

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v.sjobergTL215 Jun 2025#92

Micronutrient adequacy becomes a real question at very low total intake and is much less discussed than protein.

The literature is thinner on this than the confidence in the thread implies.

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t.vasquezTL415 Jun 2025#93
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n.laurentTL215 Jun 2025#94

What I want from this Tracking intake thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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m.achebeTL215 Jun 2025#95
h.mensah, post #50: Micronutrition alongside protein: eating protein foods that are also good sources of micronutrients (iron, B vitamins, zinc) solves two problems at once. Go to post

Reading this Tracking intake thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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n.petrovTL215 Jun 2025#96

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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b.nilsenTL215 Jun 2025#97

Picking up post #94: that is the part I would want checked first.

Meeting protein targets on suppressed appetite: this is where the practical difficulty lies. Eating more protein when appetite is suppressed is genuinely hard. Front-loading the day, prioritising density over volume, and accepting this is a problem worth solving all help.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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m.rasmussenTL215 Jun 2025 · edited#98
gradient_file, post #20: No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored. Go to post

On post #97 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Distribution across the day appears to matter less than total for most outcomes, and it matters practically because a single large meal is harder when appetite is reduced.

Filing this under things that are true until someone shows me otherwise.

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bias_varianceTL4Biostatistician15 Jun 2025#99

The arithmetic in post #98 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

What I would check first on Tracking intake is whether the thing being measured moved or whether the way of measuring it moved. Those look identical in a graph.

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m.steinerTL216 Jun 2025#100
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FFaulknerTL3Regular16 Jun 2025#101

Confirming post #99 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Density matters more than quantity when total intake is limited. The same protein in a smaller volume is the whole game.

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j.cabreraTL216 Jun 2025#102

Self-reported intake is optimistic by a consistent margin in the published comparisons, which is worth applying to your own numbers.

I have separated what I observed from what I concluded, which does not always happen.

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taper_shiftTL3Regular16 Jun 2025#103

The thing about Tracking intake that took me longest to accept is that a plausible mechanism is not evidence of an effect. It is a reason to look, not a result.

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h.nwosuTL216 Jun 2025#104
f.chowdhury, post #48: The arithmetic in post #47 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check. Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction. Written… Go to post

Posting my Tracking intake numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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IMainwaringTL3Regular16 Jun 2025#105

Useful. I have added it to my own notes with the date on it.

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b.adeyemiTL216 Jun 2025 · edited#106

Coming back to post #102, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Micronutrient adequacy becomes a real question at very low total intake and is much less discussed than protein.

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osmolal_tableTL1Member16 Jun 2025#107
j.vogel, post #14: My understanding of Tracking intake is a few years old and may have been superseded. If it has been, I would genuinely like to know rather than keep repeating it. Go to post

Fibre: adequate fibre intake supports fullness and gut motility, both of which matter during the gastrointestinal effects of these compounds. High fibre on top of appetite suppression requires attention to hydration and gradual introduction.

I am aware this is the third time this month I have made this point.

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