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[2026 update] People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops

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v.bhattacharyaTL224 Aug 2024#1

People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did.

Asking about a population rather than about a person.

The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it. I would like to understand what the honest position is when someone falls outside the studied population: not "it is fine" and not "there is no data", but what the reasoning actually looks like.

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g.pemberton_ukTL3Regional · UK25 Aug 2024 · edited#2

Extrapolating a point estimate to somebody well outside the enrolled range should be described as an extrapolation every time it is done.

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k.batistaTL226 Aug 2024#3

Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together.

Post-surgical populations, particularly after procedures affecting the gastrointestinal tract, interact with a delayed-emptying mechanism in ways that need specialist input.

That is where I would start, not where I would stop.

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crossover_reviewTL3Regular27 Aug 2024#4

Athletes and people in substantial training loads are effectively unstudied, and the questions asked here about performance have no trial evidence behind them at all.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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m.guerreroTL228 Aug 2024#5
v.bhattacharya, post #1: People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it.… Go to post

Older adults: sarcopenia risk is higher, polypharmacy is common, and the clinical trials did not enroll many people over 75. Extrapolating to very old people is extrapolating beyond the data.

I would treat the number as indicative rather than as a measurement.

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methods_marginTL3Regular29 Aug 2024#6

Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class.

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n.kaufmannTL229 Aug 2024#7

On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Dedicated trials in under-studied populations are the only real remedy and several are ongoing, which is worth saying rather than speculating.

A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on.

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stopper_traceTL2Member30 Aug 2024#8
crossover_review, post #4: Athletes and people in substantial training loads are effectively unstudied, and the questions asked here about performance have no trial evidence behind them at all. This is the version I would want a new member to read first. Go to post

Picking up post #5: that is the part I would want checked first.

The most useful contribution here is usually a citation to whichever published document comes closest, with a plain statement of how far it is from the question.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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m.amankwahTL231 Aug 2024 · edited#9
k.batista, post #3: Worth separating two things that the opening post runs together. Post-surgical populations, particularly after procedures affecting the gastrointestinal tract, interact with a delayed-emptying mechanism in ways that need specialist input. That is where I would start, not where I would stop. Go to post

Answering the question post #5 raises rather than the one it answers.

Genetic and ancestry-related differences in response are asked about regularly and the published evidence is thin enough that the honest answer is short.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular31 Aug 2024#10
v.bhattacharya, post #1: People with a low starting BMI: where the evidence stops Writing it up because I had to work it out twice and would rather nobody else did. Asking about a population rather than about a person. The published trials in this class mostly enrolled a fairly specific group, and the questions here frequently come from people well outside it.… Go to post

The absence of a reported signal in a population that was barely enrolled is not evidence about that population.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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e.lokkenTL21 Sep 2024#11

Where a population is under-studied, registry data accumulates first and is confounded by indication in ways that are hard to correct.

Adding a source would improve this post and I do not have one to hand.

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c.rasmussenTL22 Sep 2024 · edited#12
crossover_review, post #4: Athletes and people in substantial training loads are effectively unstudied, and the questions asked here about performance have no trial evidence behind them at all. This is the version I would want a new member to read first. Go to post

This is the first time the answer has come with its own limits attached. Appreciated.

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j.nascimentoTL22 Sep 2024#13
n.kaufmann, post #7: On post #5 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Dedicated trials in under-studied populations are the only real remedy and several are ongoing, which is worth saying rather than speculating. A qualification I should have led with rather than closed on. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #10 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Being outside the studied population does not mean a treatment is unsafe. It means the usual evidence is not available and the reasoning has to be explicit.

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c.bakkerTL23 Sep 2024#14

Answering the question post #13 raises rather than the one it answers.

People on multiple medicines are under-represented in trials by design, and that is the population most of the interaction questions come from.

Not disagreeing with anyone above, just adding the bit I keep having to look up.

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m.brobergTL24 Sep 2024#15

Where a labelling document addresses a population explicitly, that text is the single most useful thing to quote in a thread.

It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an awkward combination.

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s.leclercTL4 Moderator4 Sep 2024#16

Where somebody is asking because a clinician has already declined, the productive question is what the clinician's stated reason was.

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a.wikstromTL25 Sep 2024#17
e.lokken, post #11: Where a population is under-studied, registry data accumulates first and is confounded by indication in ways that are hard to correct. Adding a source would improve this post and I do not have one to hand. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #14 says would settle it.

Body weight at the extremes of the studied range affects exposure and the trials rarely reported enough to say by how much.

It is worth checking rather than assuming, which costs nothing.

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chromatogramTL45 Sep 2024#18
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t.dumitruTL26 Sep 2024#19
methods_margin, post #6: Adolescents: a distinct evidence base exists. The compounds are not approved for routine adolescent obesity but are being studied. Adolescent physiology and psychology differ from adults' in ways that matter for this medication class. Go to post

Fair, and the limits you put on it are the part I will remember.

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endo_fellow_rkTL3Endocrinology fellow6 Sep 2024#20
vial_slope, post #10: The absence of a reported signal in a population that was barely enrolled is not evidence about that population. That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it. Go to post

Coming back to post #16, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Post-surgical populations, particularly after procedures affecting the gastrointestinal tract, interact with a delayed-emptying mechanism in ways that need specialist input.

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a.lindholmTL27 Sep 2024#21

Dedicated trials in under-studied populations are the only real remedy and several are ongoing, which is worth saying rather than speculating.

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c.delgadoTL28 Sep 2024#22

Extrapolating a point estimate to somebody well outside the enrolled range should be described as an extrapolation every time it is done.

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s.bruunTL28 Sep 2024#23
m.broberg, post #15: Where a labelling document addresses a population explicitly, that text is the single most useful thing to quote in a thread. It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an awkward combination. Go to post

Hypoglycemia risk: in people already on insulin or sulfonylureas, adding a GLP-1 agonist requires insulin dose reduction and close monitoring for hypoglycemia. This is manageable with attention.

I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it.

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b.demirTL29 Sep 2024 · edited#24

Adding the measurement that post #21 says would settle it.

Almost every population discussed here was excluded from the pivotal trials, which means the evidence base is observational at best and absent at worst.

Worth saying I have only my own numbers here, and n is small.

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