Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold? posts 91–120
This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.
Adducts has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.
Worth separating two things that post #91 runs together.
On Adducts, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.
If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.
This follows post #95 rather than contradicting it.
Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.
I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.
Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.
The most useful thing anyone has posted about Adducts in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.
Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.
Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one.
My experience of Adducts contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.
Picking up post #99: that is the part I would want checked first.
Nobody has said the unglamorous part of Adducts yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.
Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it.
Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.
The failure mode on Adducts is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.
I read post #104 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.
Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.
That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.
Post #107 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.
The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.
A weak preference rather than a position.
Adducts is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.
Sensible. I would want the same detail before I acted on it either.
Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.
Adducts is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.
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Adding a small correction to the Adducts summary above rather than a disagreement with it. The substance holds; one of the figures is out by a factor that matters.
I have been on both sides of the Adducts argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.
Whatever the answer on Adducts turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction.
Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.
On Adducts, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.
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