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Adducts: sodium, potassium, and the peak you did not expect — does this still hold? posts 91–120

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1 · go to the accepted answer.

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s.coelhoTL21 Apr 2026#91

Worth separating two things that post #87 runs together.

A note on scope: what I am saying about Adducts applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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n.haddadTL22 Apr 2026#92

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

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e.kuuselaTL23 Apr 2026#93
m.wanjala, post #87: Practical answer on Adducts, since the theoretical one is upthread: do the simplest check first, write down the result, and only then decide whether the complicated explanation is needed. It usually is not. Go to post

Adducts has been discussed here with more heat than it deserves, mostly because two definitions have been in play the whole time.

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j.mwangiTL4 Moderator3 Apr 2026#94

That is a cleaner way of putting what I was circling around.

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v.salgadoTL24 Apr 2026#95

Worth separating two things that post #91 runs together.

On Adducts, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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m.silvaTL25 Apr 2026#96
s.vanhecke, post #16: Adducts: I would want to see the raw numbers rather than the summary before agreeing. Summaries lose exactly the information that would settle this. Go to post

This follows post #95 rather than contradicting it.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

I would rather be precise about what I do not know than vague about what I do.

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n.stanescuTL26 Apr 2026 · edited#97
c.kuusela, post #80: Confirming post #77 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Adducts has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet. Go to post

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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lu.cabreraTL27 Apr 2026#98

The most useful thing anyone has posted about Adducts in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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y.rahimiTL27 Apr 2026#99

The useful distinction on Adducts is between what was measured and what was inferred from it. Both end up in the same sentence and only one of them has error bars.

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preregisteredTL3Research methods8 Apr 2026#100

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one.

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a.nascimentoTL29 Apr 2026#101

My experience of Adducts contradicts the reply above. I am posting it as a data point rather than as a refutation, because one person's experience is exactly that.

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k.brandl_deTL3Translator · DE10 Apr 2026#102

Picking up post #99: that is the part I would want checked first.

Nobody has said the unglamorous part of Adducts yet, so: most of the variation is explained by things that are boring to write about and easy to check.

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m.almeidaTL210 Apr 2026#103
bench_entry, post #64: That is consistent with mine, for whatever one more account is worth. Go to post

Right, and stated more narrowly than I would have dared to state it.

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a.kowalczykTL2Regular11 Apr 2026#104
y.adebayo, post #41: Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means Go to post

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

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c.haddadTL212 Apr 2026 · edited#105

Marking my uncertainty on Adducts explicitly. I am confident about the direction, much less confident about the size, and not confident at all that it generalises past the case in the first post.

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plateau_notesTL2Regular13 Apr 2026#106

The failure mode on Adducts is boring rather than dramatic. It is almost always the step everyone assumes was done correctly because it is too simple to get wrong.

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n.vukovicTL213 Apr 2026#107
h.mukherjee, post #77: Two sentences on Adducts and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine. What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives. Go to post

I read post #104 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Adducts — sodium and potassium especially — shift the observed mass in predictable increments. A report showing an unexplained plus twenty-two is usually showing you a sodium adduct.

That matches what I was told, which is not the same as knowing it.

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o.lindgrenTL2Regular14 Apr 2026#108

Post #107 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

A weak preference rather than a position.

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s.perrinTL215 Apr 2026#109
a.kowalczyk, post #104: Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible. Go to post

Adducts is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.

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glossary_checkTL2Member16 Apr 2026#110

Sensible. I would want the same detail before I acted on it either.

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a.vukovicTL216 Apr 2026#111

The arithmetic in post #109 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Posting my Adducts numbers with the method attached so they can be discounted properly. Uncontrolled, unblinded, and collected by someone who wanted a particular answer.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist17 Apr 2026#112

Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass.

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s.mbekiTL218 Apr 2026#113
i.coelho, post #60: Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak. Go to post

Adducts is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.

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n.abernathyTL319 Apr 2026#114
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k.fonsecaTL219 Apr 2026#115

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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k.vanheckeTL220 Apr 2026#116

I have been on both sides of the Adducts argument in this category within eighteen months, which should tell you how strong the evidence for either side is.

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v.baptistaTL221 Apr 2026#117
k.radich, post #50: Common adducts: sodium adds ≈22, potassium adds ≈38 compared to hydrogen. A [M+Na]+ peak is common and its mass is predictable from the base mass. Flagging that the sources on this are thinner than the confidence in the thread suggests. Go to post

Whatever the answer on Adducts turns out to be, the method for getting there is the same: state the assumption, do the arithmetic in public, invite the correction.

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bench_notesTL4 Moderator22 Apr 2026#118

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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n.cabreraTL222 Apr 2026#119

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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steady_stateTL3Regular23 Apr 2026#120

On Adducts, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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