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Evidence · Meta-analyses · continued

Heterogeneity as information rather than as a nuisance posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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a.lindqvistTL219 Dec 2025#31
y.adeyemi, post #29: Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random. Go to post

I read post #28 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

Where the pooled result and the largest single trial disagree, that disagreement is the interesting thing rather than an inconvenience to be smoothed.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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g.valckenaereTL3Regular20 Dec 2025#32
n.krastev, post #23: Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random. Go to post

Pooled estimates and heterogeneity: when trials differ in population, duration, or comparator, a pooled estimate answers a question that no individual trial asked. High heterogeneity means effects genuinely differ across studies. The pooled number is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

I would treat the number as indicative rather than as a measurement.

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n.serranoTL221 Dec 2025#33

Two claims get bundled together under heterogeneity and they need separating. The descriptive one — this is what was observed — is usually well supported. The causal one — this is why — usually is not.

Almost every disagreement in threads like this one dissolves once you say which of the two you are making.

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j.vandermolenTL3Regular22 Dec 2025#34

On heterogeneity, the part that usually goes wrong is that the question is asked as though it has one answer. It has a range, and the width of the range is the interesting bit.

If you can post the two or three numbers you are working from, several people here will check the arithmetic rather than argue about the conclusion.

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m.ramosTL223 Dec 2025#35
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careful_beginnerTL1Member24 Dec 2025#36

Post #34 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

The most useful thing anyone has posted about heterogeneity in this category was a table of what had been measured and by whom. That is what I would want again.

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s.roosTL225 Dec 2025#37

That reframing is the whole thing. The facts I already had.

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desiccant_notesTL2Member26 Dec 2025#38

A note on scope: what I am saying about heterogeneity applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking.

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ni.stanescuTL227 Dec 2025#39
new_here_2026, post #6: Coming back to post #2, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Checked the heterogeneity claim against the primary source this morning. It survives, with a narrower scope than the version quoted here. Posting the narrower scope. Go to post

Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random.

I would put this at better than even and not much better.

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j.habermannTL3Regular27 Dec 2025#40

I think the heterogeneity question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread.

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f.villalobosTL228 Dec 2025#41
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c.grimaldiTL229 Dec 2025#42

Individual participant data pooling is a much stronger design than aggregate pooling and is rare because it requires cooperation rather than a search.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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dr_okonkwoTL4 Moderator30 Dec 2025#43

This follows post #40 rather than contradicting it.

The practical version of heterogeneity is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached.

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j.fonsecaTL231 Dec 2025#44
y.adeyemi, post #29: Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random. Go to post

I would keep heterogeneity and the decision it usually gets used for separate in this thread. They are related and they are not the same question, and merging them is why the last one went badly.

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PharmNotes_WhitfieldTL4Pharmacist1 Jan 2026#45
j.habermann, post #40: I think the heterogeneity question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread. Go to post

Fixed-effects versus random-effects models: fixed-effects assumes all studies are estimating the same thing and variation is sampling error. Random-effects assumes studies are estimating effects from different distributions and allows between-study variance. Choice matters if heterogeneity is high.

I have no interest in any supplier named above.

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n.kuuselaTL22 Jan 2026#46

On heterogeneity the community has more anecdote than the confidence in this thread implies, and I include my own contribution in that.

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orbitrap_olaTL3Mass spectrometrist2 Jan 2026 · edited#47

Picking up post #44: that is the part I would want checked first.

Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random.

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p.mwangiTL23 Jan 2026#48
d.ferreira, post #27: Bookmarking this. I will come back when I have something worth adding. Go to post

No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored.

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dr_seongTL3Physician4 Jan 2026#49
desiccant_notes, post #38: A note on scope: what I am saying about heterogeneity applies to the case in the first post and I would not extend it further without checking. Go to post

The arithmetic in post #47 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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ro.friskTL25 Jan 2026#50

Distinguishing three things in the heterogeneity discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both.

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v.stanescuTL26 Jan 2026#51
r.torrence, post #10: Quality assessment of included trials should change the analysis rather than sit beside it. A sensitivity analysis excluding the weakest studies is the minimum. The mechanism is plausible, which is not the same as established. Go to post

High heterogeneity is the finding rather than a nuisance to be minimised. If the effect genuinely differs across settings, an average of those settings is an average of things that should not have been averaged.

That is my reading. Someone else read the same page differently and was reasonable.

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aliquot_lineTL3Regular6 Jan 2026#52
ro.frisk, post #50: Distinguishing three things in the heterogeneity discussion that keep getting used interchangeably: the observation, the proposed mechanism, and the recommendation that gets attached to both. Go to post

I have three months of notes on heterogeneity and the honest summary is that the trend is real and the week-to-week numbers are noise. I nearly drew the opposite conclusion from the first fortnight.

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r.weissTL27 Jan 2026#53

Where I part company with post #49, and it is a narrow parting.

The documentation on heterogeneity is better than this thread and I say that as someone who has posted in the thread.

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fr.translation_moTL2Translator · FR8 Jan 2026#54

Post #53 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Double extraction with disagreement resolution is standard and is worth checking for, because single extraction errors are common and non-random.

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d.achebeTL29 Jan 2026#55

Post #53 describes the usual case. This is about the unusual one.

Adding what did not work for me on heterogeneity, since the failures never get written up and they are half the useful information.

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glossary_deskTL3Regular10 Jan 2026#56
p.mwangi, post #48: No disagreement from me. Posting only so the question does not look ignored. Go to post

The I-squared statistic describes the proportion of variability not attributable to chance and is frequently read as a threshold. It is a description rather than a test.

This is where my knowledge stops and I would rather mark the edge than blur it.

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f.piresTL211 Jan 2026 · edited#57

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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NicolaidesTL3Regular11 Jan 2026#58

Confirming post #56 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

The claim about heterogeneity upthread is stronger than its source supports. I have read the source. The source says "associated with" and the post says "causes".

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a.villalobosTL212 Jan 2026#59
f.pires, post #57: Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere. Go to post

My position on heterogeneity is current rather than settled. I have revised it once already and I expect to again, so treat it accordingly.

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taper_fileTL3Regular13 Jan 2026#60

Post #58 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Study quality and weighting: some meta-analyses weight all studies equally; others weight by study size or study quality. The choice affects the result and should be stated and justified.

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