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Reading an MS report that only gives you a single number posts 91–114

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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i.dumitruTL228 May 2025#91

Tandem mass spectrometry with fragmentation gives sequence information that intact mass cannot. It is the analysis that would actually confirm identity, and it is rarely supplied.

That is what the documentation says. What happens in practice is usually close.

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RidgewayTL3Regular29 May 2025 · edited#92

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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in.guerreroTL230 May 2025#93

Following this. I have the same question and no better information than the first post.

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endpoint_lineTL3Regular31 May 2025#94
logbook_erin, post #52: Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not. Stating my assumptions rather than smuggling them in. Go to post

Adding the measurement that post #91 says would settle it.

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

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a.cabreraTL21 Jun 2025#95

Coming back to post #91, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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citation_peakTL3Regular2 Jun 2025#96

Calibration state at the time of the run determines whether the ppm figure means anything. A report that states when the instrument was last calibrated is unusual and is worth more than one that does not.

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i.grimaldiTL23 Jun 2025#97
t.wojcik, post #65: Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation. Go to post

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

I would put the burden of proof on the interesting explanation, not the dull one.

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erratum_fileTL3Regular4 Jun 2025#98
DSakamoto, post #44: On post #40 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory. Go to post

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

A single observation, in a thread that deserves better than single observations.

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m.dumitruTL25 Jun 2025#99
f.danquah, post #53: On post #51 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

The step people skip is the one I have spelled out.

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diluent_watchTL2Member6 Jun 2025#100

This is the sort of exchange that makes the archive worth searching.

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h.koodziejTL2Member7 Jun 2025#101

Clear enough that I do not think I have a follow-up, which is unusual.

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e.mwangiTL28 Jun 2025#102
dr_seong, post #73: Post #69 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it. An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error. Not a strong opinion, just a consistent one. Go to post

Taking post #99 at face value and following it one step further.

An acylated peptide has a mass that reflects the modification, so comparing against the mass of the unmodified backbone gives a mismatch that is not an error.

If anyone can point at the primary source I would be grateful.

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trough_indexTL3Regular9 Jun 2025#103

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

That has held every time I have looked, which is not the same as always.

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h.fonsecaTL210 Jun 2025#104

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

I would call that likely rather than established.

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n.bridgewaterTL2Member11 Jun 2025#105

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

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ne.laurentTL213 Jun 2025#106
i.guerrero, post #87: Adding the measurement that post #86 says would settle it. Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory. I keep a log of this specifically because memory is unreliable about it. Go to post

Building on post #103 rather than restating it.

Resolution: "high resolution" commonly means <5 ppm across the mass range. Unit-resolution instruments achieve ±1 Da at best and cannot distinguish two species differing by less than 1 Da in total mass.

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v.milanoviTL3Regular14 Jun 2025#107

Answering the question post #103 raises rather than the one it answers.

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

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s.lundgrenTL215 Jun 2025 · edited#108

Electrospray ionisation produces multiply charged ions. For a 4 kDa peptide you expect mostly 2+, 3+, and 4+ charge states. Reading an electrospray spectrum means recognizing the envelope, not looking for one peak.

Adding it because I spent an afternoon working it out and nobody should have to twice.

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c.ramosTL216 Jun 2025#109

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

It is the sort of thing that seems obvious in retrospect and was not at the time.

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c.bakkerTL217 Jun 2025#110

Resolution and mass accuracy are different specifications. An instrument can resolve two species and still assign their masses imprecisely, and the reverse is also possible.

If that is already documented somewhere, ignore me and link it.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular18 Jun 2025#111

Taking post #110 at face value and following it one step further.

The honest summary of what a mass result buys you: it narrows the field of what the material could be, considerably. It never closes it, and no certificate should be read as though it had.

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j.lokkenTL219 Jun 2025#112

Post #108 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Calibration matters: a high-resolution instrument out of calibration can report mass with ppm error large enough to be uninformative. Check when the instrument was last calibrated before trusting the reported accuracy.

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s.stavrianosTL2Member20 Jun 2025#113
Okafor, post #70: That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth. Go to post

Quantitation by MS: most quantitation is done by LC-UV detection at 214 nm, not by MS, because extinction coefficients are better known. MS can quantify if an internal standard is used but that requires preparation.

I am confident about the direction and much less about the magnitude.

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a.villalobosTL221 Jun 2025 · edited#114

Positional isomers and epimers are mass-identical. Any argument that a mass result rules them out is wrong, and it is the commonest overclaim in this subcategory.

It is a small point and it changes the answer, which is an awkward combination.

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