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Second pass at: The topic list is dense — is that deliberate?

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Topic list is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.

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journalclub_wrenTL3Regular10 Nov 2025#1

Second pass at: The topic list is dense — is that deliberate? I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below.

Posting a small dataset on topic list. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately.

What I would like is not agreement but a second dataset collected by someone with no stake in mine. If one exists I would rather read it than argue for this one.

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KLindqvistTL4 Moderator13 Nov 2025#2
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Staff answer. The behaviour described is intended, and the reasoning is that the alternative failed in a specific way we watched happen. Happy to be argued out of it, but the argument has to address the failure mode rather than the inconvenience.

The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep.

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mira.patelTL4 Admin16 Nov 2025#3
journalclub_wren, post #1: Second pass at: The topic list is dense — is that deliberate? I have a specific reason for asking rather than idle curiosity, and the context is below. Posting a small dataset on topic list. It is mine, it is uncontrolled, and the method is stated so it can be discounted appropriately. What I would like is not agreement but a second… Go to post
Staff post. Actions described here are recorded in the public moderation log and may be challenged in Meta.

Coming back to the opening post, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

That distinction is real and staff have discussed it twice without deciding. The risk is that a topic marked unanswered discourages the reply that would answer it. If anyone has seen it work elsewhere, say so — that is the missing evidence.

I am aware this is the third time this month I have made this point.

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s.grigorescuTL2Member18 Nov 2025#4

Adding a reference point for topic list. Mine is a single case, collected without controls, and I am posting the method alongside it so it can be discounted appropriately.

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g.tammTL220 Nov 2025#5

No notes. Posting so the count is not one.

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figure_reviewTL2Member Solution22 Nov 2025#6
KLindqvist, post #2: Staff answer. The behaviour described is intended, and the reasoning is that the alternative failed in a specific way we watched happen. Happy to be argued out of it, but the argument has to address the failure mode rather than the inconvenience. The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep. Go to post

Topic list is a question about a distribution, not about a value, and treating it as a value is what produces the confident wrong answers.

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NorringtonTL3Regular26 Nov 2025#8

Confirming post #6 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Suggestion rather than complaint: the vendor pages carry a review date, and topics do not. A topic that has been read by a maintainer recently is a different thing from one nobody has looked at since 2024.

I have separated what I observed from what I concluded, which does not always happen.

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m.yildizTL228 Nov 2025#9

Post #6 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

Since topic list keeps coming up, it should probably be a maintained page rather than a recurring thread. I am happy to draft it if someone with more direct experience will review it.

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lyophil_marginTL3Regular29 Nov 2025#10

What I can speak to on topic list is narrow, so I will keep it narrow rather than generalising from it. Beyond that boundary I do not know.

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j.sandvikTL21 Dec 2025#11

Nothing to add on the substance. Thank you for taking the question at face value.

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FConsidineTL1Member3 Dec 2025 · edited#12

On post #8 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Feature request framed as feedback: the category list is long enough that a first-time reader cannot tell which four categories carry most of the traffic. A count next to each would fix that without changing anything structural.

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RodriguesTL3Regular6 Dec 2025#14
j.sandvik, post #11: Nothing to add on the substance. Thank you for taking the question at face value. Go to post

Counterpoint on topic list, offered without confidence: the same observation is consistent with a much duller explanation, and nobody has ruled the dull one out.

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an.zamoraTL27 Dec 2025#15

This follows post #14 rather than contradicting it.

Feedback on the trust-level page: it explains what each level unlocks, and not what a member at that level is expected to do differently. The second is what people actually want to know.

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SHermansenTL2Member9 Dec 2025#16

Worth separating two things that post #12 runs together.

On topic list I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated.

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k.ogunleyeTL210 Dec 2025#17

Reporting rather than recommending, on topic list. What happened is above. Whether it should have is a different question and not one I am qualified to answer.

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methods_draftTL2Member12 Dec 2025#18
SHermansen, post #16: Worth separating two things that post #12 runs together. On topic list I would separate what is worth knowing from what is worth acting on. The first list is long and the second is short, and conflating them is how threads get heated. Go to post

Seconding that. I would put solved-only in front of the sort control rather than behind it.

A modest claim, modestly supported.

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t.vargaTL213 Dec 2025#19

The honest answer on topic list is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter.

Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth.

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gradient_reviewTL2Member15 Dec 2025#20

I read the earlier replies on topic list twice before writing this, because I had assumed the opposite and wanted to be sure I was disagreeing with what was said rather than what I expected.

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eire_readerTL2Regional · IE16 Dec 2025#21

Post #17 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Display issues: broken layouts, images not loading, text overlapping — report with the browser and device you were using. Display bugs are platform-specific.

That is the honest state of it as of this week.

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f.haddadTL217 Dec 2025#22
KLindqvist, post #2: Staff answer. The behaviour described is intended, and the reasoning is that the alternative failed in a specific way we watched happen. Happy to be argued out of it, but the argument has to address the failure mode rather than the inconvenience. The rule of thumb is fine; the edge cases are where it earns its keep. Go to post

Taking post #21 at face value and following it one step further.

I disagree with the framing of topic list above, and I think it is a substantive disagreement rather than a terminological one. Setting out why, so it can be checked.

The reasoning depends on an assumption that is doing a lot of work and is never stated. If the assumption holds, the conclusion follows. I do not think it holds generally.

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WendelboeTL2Member19 Dec 2025#23

The counter-argument is that a review date on a topic implies a maintenance promise nobody has made. A document carries one because somebody signed up to it.

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z.szaboTL220 Dec 2025#24

Reporting a real defect: on a long topic the jump-to-post link scrolls to the right post but the highlight does not fire on the first load. Second load is fine. Reproducible on my end, twice.

Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding.

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citation_peakTL3Regular21 Dec 2025 · edited#25

Worth separating two things that post #21 runs together.

Two things can be true about topic list at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.

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f.yildizTL223 Dec 2025#26
z.szabo, post #24: Reporting a real defect: on a long topic the jump-to-post link scrolls to the right post but the highlight does not fire on the first load. Second load is fine. Reproducible on my end, twice. Marking that as an opinion rather than a finding. Go to post

This follows post #25 rather than contradicting it.

I keep a log for topic list specifically because my memory of it turned out to be systematically wrong in one direction. Six weeks of notes cost nothing and settled it.

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l.parkinsonTL2Member24 Dec 2025#27

Not a bug, but worth saying: the moderation log is paginated at twenty-five entries and there is no way to filter it by rule. Being able to read every R6 action in sequence would be genuinely instructive.

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ma.nascimentoTL225 Dec 2025#28
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k.otieno_statsTL3Statistician27 Dec 2025#29
Rodrigues, post #14: Counterpoint on topic list, offered without confidence: the same observation is consistent with a much duller explanation, and nobody has ruled the dull one out. Go to post

That would also be the fastest way for a new member to understand what R6 actually catches, which is narrower than people assume from the text.

I would rather say I do not know than round it up to an answer.

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n.ibarraTL228 Dec 2025#30
Norrington, post #8: Confirming post #6 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person. Suggestion rather than complaint: the vendor pages carry a review date, and topics do not. A topic that has been read by a maintainer recently is a different thing from one nobody has looked at since 2024. I have separated what I… Go to post

Picking up post #29: that is the part I would want checked first.

Feature request framed as feedback: the category list is long enough that a first-time reader cannot tell which four categories carry most of the traffic. A count next to each would fix that without changing anything structural.

The conclusion is tentative; the arithmetic underneath it is not.

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