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Transit times by route, from a logged dataset — the long version

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WoodhouseTL2Member18 Jul 2024#1

Posting this under the heading it deserves: Transit times by route, from a logged dataset — the long version Everything below is what sits behind that.

A narrow question about Transit times, deliberately narrow, because the broad version has been asked here four times and produced four long threads and no answer.

One question, stated units, stated method, and what I have already ruled out.

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e.tammTL227 Jul 2024#2

Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it.

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cannula_notesTL2Member2 Aug 2024#3
Community wiki post. Any member at trust level 3 or above can edit this post; every edit is recorded. Last edited by KTurkington on 30 Jun 2025.
  • 18 Aug 2024 — titration_diary: Removed a claim that the cited source did not support.
  • 11 Oct 2024 — ppm_error: Replaced an unsourced figure with the published one and cited it.
  • 10 Feb 2025 — y.mensah: Added the worked example and a unit label to the table header.
  • 30 Jun 2025 — KTurkington: Clarified the distinction that was causing repeat questions below.
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Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update for weeks means it might be stuck.

I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge.

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b.brandtTL28 Aug 2024#4

The version of Transit times that I was taught turned out to be a teaching simplification. Useful, and not true in the way I had assumed it was.

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taper_fileTL3Regular13 Aug 2024#5

Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit.

Peak periods and public holidays affect this more than any other factor and are entirely predictable in advance.

I would want a second opinion before relying on that.

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c.kuuselaTL218 Aug 2024#6
cannula_notes, post #3: Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update for weeks means it might be stuck. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

On Transit times, I would rather understate and be corrected upward than overstate and be quoted. That is a house style here and it is a good one.

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r.torrenceTL2Member23 Aug 2024 · edited#7

Transit times was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread.

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z.nakamuraTL227 Aug 2024#8

Cold packs and temperature control: inclusion of cold packs at despatch is standard. Whether they maintain temperature through transit depends on journey duration and ambient temperature. Long journeys through warm climates put product at risk.

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NorringtonTL3Regular1 Sep 2024#9
Woodhouse, post #1: Posting this under the heading it deserves: Transit times by route, from a logged dataset — the long version Everything below is what sits behind that. A narrow question about Transit times, deliberately narrow, because the broad version has been asked here four times and produced four long threads and no answer. One question, stated… Go to post

A tracking gap at a customs facility is the most common cause of an unexpectedly long transit and the segment nobody has visibility of.

Scoping that to what I have actually seen rather than what I have read.

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e.kuipersTL25 Sep 2024#10

Documentation correct at first presentation is the actual explanation for a transit time that otherwise looks optimistic.

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ms_hollowayTL4Mass spectrometrist9 Sep 2024 · edited#11

Transit times looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour.

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n.silvaTL213 Sep 2024#12

Understood, and I withdraw the assumption I opened with.

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owen.bradyTL4 Moderator17 Sep 2024#13
taper_file, post #5: Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Peak periods and public holidays affect this more than any other factor and are entirely predictable in advance. I would want a second opinion before relying on that. Go to post

I had written a reply contradicting post #9 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Customs outcomes are not predictable at the level of an individual parcel. What is predictable is that consistent, accurate declarations correlate with fewer interventions, and that the same route behaves differently in different months.

I would want the raw data before agreeing with my own summary of it.

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k.dahlbergTL221 Sep 2024#14
cannula_notes, post #3: Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update for weeks means it might be stuck. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

Small methodological point on Transit times: repeating a measurement is cheap and resolves most of what is being argued about here at no cost to anyone.

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a.reyesTL4 Admin25 Sep 2024#15

Packaging integrity on arrival: if a parcel arrives with compromised packaging, that is evidence of a handling problem in transit. The contents may or may not be compromised but you have reason to be cautious.

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b.oseiTL229 Sep 2024#16

The arithmetic in post #13 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Careful with the language on Transit times. "Not detected" and "not present" are different findings and the first is a statement about the method.

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k.radichTL23 Oct 2024#17
z.nakamura, post #8: Cold packs and temperature control: inclusion of cold packs at despatch is standard. Whether they maintain temperature through transit depends on journey duration and ambient temperature. Long journeys through warm climates put product at risk. Go to post

The practical version of Transit times is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached.

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h.mbekiTL26 Oct 2024#18

Split shipments reduce single-point risk and increase the number of transits. Which trade is right depends on what you are protecting against.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular10 Oct 2024#19

I had read the opposite somewhere and cannot now find where, which tells me something.

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m.radichTL214 Oct 2024 · edited#20

What I want from this Transit times thread is the list of things that would need to be true for the claim to hold. If we can write that list, we can check it.

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methods_marginTL3Regular17 Oct 2024#21

Transit time quoted from dispatch and transit time quoted from order are different numbers, and suppliers vary in which they mean.

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s.chowdhuryTL3Regular21 Oct 2024 · edited#22

That is consistent with mine, for whatever one more account is worth.

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crossover_reviewTL324 Oct 2024#23
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e.bakkenTL228 Oct 2024#24

Coming back to post #20, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Transit times is a good example of a question where the honest answer is boring and the interesting answers are unsupported. I would go with boring.

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a.kwiatkowskiTL2Member31 Oct 2024#25

Anyone deciding whether a delay is a problem should ask what would change if they waited another week. Usually the answer is nothing.

I would want to see it done twice before believing it once.

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t.vargaTL23 Nov 2024#26

The same route behaves differently in different months. A single good or bad experience is one sample from a distribution.

A partial answer, offered because a partial answer beats none.

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IRenaudinTL2Member7 Nov 2024#27
ms_holloway, post #11: Transit times looks different depending on whether you are reading the primary literature or the summaries of it, and the difference is not in our favour. Go to post

Confirming post #26 from a second method, which matters more than confirming it from a second person.

Import restrictions by jurisdiction: what is legal to import for personal use varies enormously by country. Some jurisdictions are quite permissive; others are not. Checking your own country's rules before ordering is prudent.

This is the sort of thing the wiki should carry and currently does not.

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k.ogunleyeTL210 Nov 2024#28
k.radich, post #17: The practical version of Transit times is three sentences long. The rigorous version is three pages and reaches the same conclusion with the conditions attached. Go to post

I had written a reply contradicting post #24 and deleted it. Here is what survived.

Reading this Transit times thread as someone who came in with a fixed view: the third and seventh replies moved me and the confident ones did not.

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r.mcalisterTL3Regular13 Nov 2024#29

Acknowledging rather than arguing. The reasoning holds as far as I can follow it.

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i.balogunTL217 Nov 2024#30
taper_file, post #5: Post #4 is right about the mechanism and I think understates the practical bit. Peak periods and public holidays affect this more than any other factor and are entirely predictable in advance. I would want a second opinion before relying on that. Go to post

Post #28 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Document outcomes rather than forecasting them. A forecast in this category reads as reassurance and is not one.

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