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Transit times by route, from a logged dataset — the long version posts 61–88

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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k.bettencourtTL2Member17 Feb 2025#61

Picking up post #58: that is the part I would want checked first.

Document outcomes rather than forecasting them. A forecast in this category reads as reassurance and is not one.

I have deliberately not rounded that, because the rounding is where the argument starts.

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j.solbergTL220 Feb 2025#62
e.kuipers, post #10: Documentation correct at first presentation is the actual explanation for a transit time that otherwise looks optimistic. Go to post

On post #60 — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification.

Cold packs and temperature control: inclusion of cold packs at despatch is standard. Whether they maintain temperature through transit depends on journey duration and ambient temperature. Long journeys through warm climates put product at risk.

Written from notes rather than memory, which is why the numbers are specific.

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t.waldenstrmTL2Member23 Feb 2025#63

Peak periods and public holidays affect this more than any other factor and are entirely predictable in advance.

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t.brandtTL226 Feb 2025#64
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BuchholzTL2Member28 Feb 2025 · edited#65
y.mensah, post #53: The honest answer on Transit times is that it depends, and the useful part is the list of what it depends on. Four items, in rough order of how much they matter. Most people get the first two right and then argue about the fourth. Go to post

Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update for weeks means it might be stuck.

That is a description of practice, not a recommendation of it.

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ew.kuuselaTL23 Mar 2025#66
cannula_notes, post #3: Tracking stops updating: tracking last updated days ago usually means the package is in transit and will not update until it reaches the next scanning point. No update for weeks means it might be stuck. I have seen it go both ways, which is why I hedge. Go to post

Worth separating two things that post #65 runs together.

Cold packs and temperature control: inclusion of cold packs at despatch is standard. Whether they maintain temperature through transit depends on journey duration and ambient temperature. Long journeys through warm climates put product at risk.

It is one reading of the data and not the only reasonable one.

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s.stavrianosTL2Member6 Mar 2025#67

Post #66 answers the question as asked. The question underneath it is different.

Something worth flagging about Transit times: the strongest-sounding claims in this thread are the ones with no source attached, which is the usual pattern and not a coincidence.

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g.danquahTL29 Mar 2025#68

That matches what I have seen, for whatever a single anecdote is worth.

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DKwiatkowskiTL3Regular11 Mar 2025#69

Adding thanks rather than a view. I do not have a view worth the space.

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j.lokkenTL214 Mar 2025#70

Transit times came up in a thread eighteen months ago and was answered well. I cannot find it, which is itself the problem, so here is the reconstruction.

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a.vermeulenTL217 Mar 2025#71

Post #67 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Split shipments reduce single-point risk and increase the number of transits. Which trade is right depends on what you are protecting against.

I would put a moderate confidence on that and no more.

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r.jhannsdttirTL3Regular19 Mar 2025#72

Reading rather than answering, but this is the post I would point somebody at.

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p.novakTL222 Mar 2025#73

Packaging integrity on arrival: if a parcel arrives with compromised packaging, that is evidence of a handling problem in transit. The contents may or may not be compromised but you have reason to be cautious.

Where I would look next, rather than where I would stop.

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t.kulkarniTL3Regular25 Mar 2025#74
e.tamm, post #2: Understood. Thank you for being specific about the limits of it. Go to post

Transit time quoted from dispatch and transit time quoted from order are different numbers, and suppliers vary in which they mean.

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j.palaciosTL227 Mar 2025#75

Post #71 put the caveat in the right place and I want to underline it.

The version of Transit times that circulates here is a simplification of a simplification. It is not wrong, but it has lost the conditions under which it holds, and those conditions are where the interesting cases live.

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h.almeidaTL2Member30 Mar 2025#76

Two people in this thread mean different things by Transit times and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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h.kimaniTL22 Apr 2025#77

Import restrictions by jurisdiction: what is legal to import for personal use varies enormously by country. Some jurisdictions are quite permissive; others are not. Checking your own country's rules before ordering is prudent.

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BDraganovTL2Member4 Apr 2025 · edited#78
e.kuipers, post #10: Documentation correct at first presentation is the actual explanation for a transit time that otherwise looks optimistic. Go to post

Agreed on Transit times, with one qualification that I think matters. The reasoning holds for the case as described. Change the starting assumption and it does not, and the starting assumption is the part nobody states.

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n.kirchnerTL27 Apr 2025#79

Saving this. It is the version I will quote when the question comes round again.

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a.schaefferTL2Member10 Apr 2025#80

Customs outcomes are not predictable at the level of an individual parcel. What is predictable is that consistent, accurate declarations correlate with fewer interventions, and that the same route behaves differently in different months.

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v.malinowskiTL212 Apr 2025#81
e.halonen, post #60: Where the Transit times discussion usually stalls is that nobody wants to say "I do not know" and everyone is willing to say "it varies". Those are the same sentence with different clothes on. Go to post

Building on post #80 rather than restating it.

Practical note on Transit times: write down what you expect before you look. The number of times I have found what I went looking for is higher than chance would allow.

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NLoughranTL3Regular15 Apr 2025 · edited#82

Adding a data point of agreement rather than a data point.

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i.beaulieuTL217 Apr 2025#83

Source for the Transit times figure, since it was asked for. It is in the discussion rather than the abstract, which is why the version circulating is stronger than the paper is.

Reading the surrounding paragraph is worth the two minutes. The authors are more careful than their summarisers.

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IMainwaringTL3Regular20 Apr 2025#84
r.sobczak, post #35: What I can speak to on Transit times is narrow, so I will keep it narrow rather than generalising from it. Beyond that boundary I do not know. Go to post

Everything in post #83 holds. The case it does not cover is the one I have.

Document outcomes rather than forecasting them. A forecast in this category reads as reassurance and is not one.

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m.guerreroTL223 Apr 2025#85

Two things can be true about Transit times at once: the mechanism is plausible and the evidence for the size of the effect is thin. Most of the argument here is people defending the first against attacks on the second.

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stopper_traceTL2Member25 Apr 2025#86

Split shipments reduce single-point risk and increase the number of transits. Which trade is right depends on what you are protecting against.

It is the sort of thing that seems obvious in retrospect and was not at the time.

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n.hartmannTL228 Apr 2025#87

The arithmetic in post #84 is right; the assumption feeding it is the part to check.

Documentation correct at first presentation is the actual explanation for a transit time that otherwise looks optimistic.

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vial_slopeTL3Regular30 Apr 2025#88
n.villalobos, post #46: Answering the question post #42 raises rather than the one it answers. I think the Transit times question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread. Go to post

Answering the question post #86 raises rather than the one it answers.

A tracking gap at a customs facility is the most common cause of an unexpectedly long transit and the segment nobody has visibility of.

I have changed my mind on this once already, so take it as current rather than settled.

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