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Revisiting: How to bring a laboratory report to an appointment usefully posts 31–60

This is a continuation of a long topic, addressed by post number rather than by page. Start at post 1.

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cohort_watchTL2Member15 Sep 2024#31

Taking post #30 at face value and following it one step further.

The reason bring a laboratory is hard to answer is that the obvious measurement and the relevant quantity are not the same thing, and substituting one for the other is silent.

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ra.mensaTL215 Sep 2024#32

Two sentences on bring a laboratory and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine.

What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives.

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j.delacroixTL3Regular16 Sep 2024#33

Bringing the actual numbers with intervals to an appointment is far more useful than describing them, and clinicians here consistently say so.

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sa.okonkwoTL216 Sep 2024#34
ra.mensa, post #32: Two sentences on bring a laboratory and then I will stop, because the rest is speculation and the thread is better without mine. What is documented is narrow. What is inferred from it is broad. The gap between them is where every argument here lives. Go to post

I read post #32 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

A definition problem is doing most of the work in this bring a laboratory discussion. Once the term is pinned down I suspect the disagreement mostly goes away and what is left is small.

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a.westergaardTL3Regular17 Sep 2024#35

What I would check first on bring a laboratory is whether the thing being measured moved or whether the way of measuring it moved. Those look identical in a graph.

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d.yilmazTL217 Sep 2024#36

Where a result is flagged by the laboratory, the flag is against their interval rather than against clinical significance. Those are different thresholds.

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m.lindqvistTL218 Sep 2024 · edited#37
cohort_watch, post #31: Taking post #30 at face value and following it one step further. The reason bring a laboratory is hard to answer is that the obvious measurement and the relevant quantity are not the same thing, and substituting one for the other is silent. Go to post

I will take the caveat as seriously as the claim, which is the point of putting it there.

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r.restrepoTL218 Sep 2024#38
s.salgado, post #3: On the opening post — agreed on the reasoning, with one qualification. Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same. Go to post

Coming back to post #36, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer.

Bring a laboratory was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread.

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taper_fileTL3Regular18 Sep 2024#39

The number people quote for bring a laboratory is a central estimate presented without its interval, and the interval is wide enough that the estimate is nearly uninformative on its own.

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a.villalobosTL219 Sep 2024#40

Noted, and thank you for writing it out rather than summarising it.

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policy_readerTL2Regular19 Sep 2024#41

Where I part company with post #38, and it is a narrow parting.

Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason.

Not the whole picture, but the part of it I can speak to.

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a.jansenTL220 Sep 2024#42

I think the bring a laboratory question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread.

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g.tanakaTL3Regular20 Sep 2024#43
r.restrepo, post #38: Coming back to post #36, because the follow-up matters more than the original answer. Bring a laboratory was covered in the wiki last year and the page has a review date on it, which is a better starting point than my memory of a thread. Go to post

The most useful thing this subcategory does is help people tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

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e.adeyemiTL221 Sep 2024#44

Glycaemic markers integrate over different periods. A point glucose and a longer-term marker disagreeing is not a contradiction; it is two different questions.

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np_gilmoreTL3Nurse practitioner21 Sep 2024#45

What I would tell a new member reading about bring a laboratory for the first time: the confident posts are not the reliable ones, and the reliable ones are longer.

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no.silvaTL221 Sep 2024#46

Thank you for taking the time. That was more work than a reply usually is.

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m.dalgaardTL322 Sep 2024#47
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r.mensaTL222 Sep 2024 · edited#48

Narrowing post #45, because the general version has more than one answer.

The second most useful thing it does is say clearly when the answer is to book the appointment.

This is the version I would want a new member to read first.

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r.aldana_pharmdTL4Pharmacist23 Sep 2024 · edited#49
ni.kravchenko, post #11: That is clearer than the version I had in my head. Thank you. Go to post

Sample handling before analysis affects several analytes, and a haemolysed sample produces predictable artefacts that a laboratory will usually comment on.

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c.boatengTL223 Sep 2024#50
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m.achebeTL223 Sep 2024 · edited#51

Taking bring a laboratory seriously for a moment rather than deflecting: the honest position is that the community has observations and no controlled comparison, and those two things support very different sentences.

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n.petrovTL224 Sep 2024#52

Post #51 and I disagree about the size of the effect, not about the direction.

Time of day: some biomarkers vary across the day. Cortisol in the morning differs from cortisol in the evening. Comparing results from different times of day is comparing things that are not the same.

Worth reading the earlier posts in this thread before acting on mine.

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t.abubakarTL224 Sep 2024#53
a.jansen, post #42: I think the bring a laboratory question is answerable and has not been answered, which is a more optimistic position than most of this thread. Go to post

That is a cleaner way of putting what I was circling around.

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v.krastevTL224 Sep 2024#54
vial_table, post #2: Bring a laboratory has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet. Go to post

Repeat before acting is standard practice for an isolated abnormal result on most analytes, and it is standard for a reason.

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z.onwukaTL225 Sep 2024#55

A methods point on bring a laboratory rather than a substantive one: if the comparison is not like for like, the difference you are measuring is the difference in method.

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v.sjobergTL225 Sep 2024#56

Two people in this thread mean different things by bring a laboratory and are disagreeing about the definition while believing they are disagreeing about the facts. Worth pausing to define it.

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b.nilsenTL226 Sep 2024#57
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m.rasmussenTL226 Sep 2024#58

I read post #54 twice before replying, because I had assumed the opposite.

The most useful thing this subcategory does is help people tell an interesting result from an uninteresting one before booking an appointment about it.

A guess, clearly labelled as one.

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m.agyemanTL226 Sep 2024#59
vial_table, post #2: Bring a laboratory has a well-known answer and a correct answer, and the interesting work is establishing that they are the same. Nobody has done that here yet. Go to post

Post #56 is the version of this I will quote in future. One addition.

Bringing the actual numbers with intervals to an appointment is far more useful than describing them, and clinicians here consistently say so.

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excursion_checkTL3Regular27 Sep 2024#60

Following, with nothing to contribute beyond having asked the same thing elsewhere.

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